This show is an industry tax, if you don't exhibit then you don't exist.
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This show is an industry tax, if you don't exhibit then you don't exist.
NOTICE: This comment was moved from an existing discussion: The Hanwha Techwin Million Dollar ISC West Booth
** ** ******** *** ********* ***-**** ** ***'* ************* ****** their ****** *********** ** *** ********?
* ***'* ***** ** ***** ** significant. ***** ** ** **** ***, Axis ****** * ********** ********** ** their ******* ** *** ****. **** do ~$***+ ******* ******** ** ***** America, ** ***** ***** ** *** West ** ~*.*% ** ***** *******.
** ********, ************* **** ******** *** spending * ** *% ** **** annual ******* ** *** ****.
*** *** ****** *** **** **** people ***** ****** ** **** *** ok *** ***** *** *** **** is, **** ***** ** **** ********* if ********* *** ***** **** *** West. *******, ** **** ** **** keeps ********* **** ** *** ******** and **** **** ***** ******* ***** team, *** **** ** ****** ***** in *** ***** ****** ** ****** for ****.
* ** *** ****** **** ****** not ** **** **** ***** ***** overall ************** ********, ** ** **** an ******** ****** ** ******** *** Axis, *** * ************* ** ***** existence.
***, **** * **** ******** **** question, **** ** ******* ** ** claim **** *** ****** ** **** online ********* *** ******* ********* ******* of * * **** ****?
* ***** ***-* ** **** * facet ** * ****** ******* ********* strategy (** ******* ****** *********). *******, I ** ********* ***-* ** *** keystone *** ** ********.
** * *** *** **** ***, I ***** ****** ***** **** ***** your *******. *** **** * ****** marketing *******. *** **** ** ** expensive ***** ** *** ** ********** for ****.
*** ****** ** ******** ***** *** you ******* **** *********/*********** **** *****.
**** *** ******* * ******* ***** into * ******* ****, * **** I ***** ***** ** ***. * argue ** *** ******* *** **** as *********** ** ******** *** *** growth ******** ****. *******... ***** ** not * ********** ** *** ************ that ** ********* *********, ********* *********. Your ***** *** **** *****.
**** *** ******* * ******* ***** into * ******* ****, * **** I ***** ***** ** ***.
*** ***** ** ** * ****, consider it **** ********** **** ******* *** studies *** ****** *** ********* ******. **'* not **** * ****** **** ******* out ** ****, ** *** *** the ******** ** *** ****** ******* any ****** ******** ********.
*********, **** ********* ** **** *** you ****** ***** **** **** *** effort ******** *** *** ** ******* that ** ****** ** **** *** year ** * ****.
**** ** *** ******** ************* **** (****) ** *********... ** ***** ** comparison ** ********* **** ******* *** industry. ****** ********* ** *** **** of ** ** *** ****** ******* graduates + ****** ******** ***** ******* with ***** *** '****** *********' *****.
***** *** **** ****** ********* **** I ***** **** *** ***** ********* efforts.
***, **** ** *** ******** **** social ***** ** **** ******* *** of ***** *********** ********* *****... *.*. "Check *** *** ***** ** ***!" posts ** *******.
**** ** * ***** ******* ** how ********* ***** - *** * can *** ***** ** *** *********** physec ******* **** *** **** ***** to ************* *** ****** (********* *********) think - *** ************* **** ***** them ***..
**** ******* *** **** *** * lot ** **** ** ****** ***** (Axis *********) *****'* **** **** **** crap ** *********** ** *** - and, *******, **** ******* * ****** of ***, ************* ******** *********.
*****: * ****'* ***** **** **** hating **** ** ***.... * **** note **** **** *** *** ** the **** ******** ****** ***** ******* posters ** *** ********. *** *** value ** **** **** ******* * personally **** ** ** *******.
*.*. * **** **** ******* *** companies **** **** ***'* ********** ****** media, ** ***** - **** **** - **** ******* ** ********** *** actually ** ***.
* ***** **** *** *********** ****** that ****** ** ******* ** *** West ****** **** ********. * ***** also *** ****** ******* *** * few ***** ***** ********* **** *********. If *** ****’* ****** **** ** them, ******* ** ***** **.
**** *** **** ******** ** ********* the **** ********* ******* *** ************ stadium ********* ******. ** *** ***** the **** ** *** *** ******* you *** ********. ** *** ****** or **** * ****, **** ******** you ** *********.
* ***** **** *** ****** ******* for * *** ***** ***** ********* lose *********. ** *** ****’* ****** care ** ****, ******* ** ***** to.
***** * *** **** *** *** saying **** ****** ****** ** *** approach **** ******* ***** ***** ** retaining *** ******* **'* ********. * have *-* ******** * **** ** site ** *** ************ **** **** of *** ********* ************* ** *** what ** ***, ******* ***** ******** we **** ****** **, ******* *** issues ** **** **** **** *** last *******, *** ********** ** *** facing *** *** **** ** ***** partners *** ***** ****, ***. ** you ** *** **** * ***** of ******** ***********, ** ********* ******** people *** ****** ****** **** **** that ******** ****** **** ** *** customer ** *** ****** * ***** at *** ** *** ** ** making ******** * ******* **** * joint ******** ** ****** *** ******** succeed. ** ***'* **** ****** *** West ** *** ********** *******, ***** 1 ** * ** *** ** or ** ********* **** **, *** this ** **** ******* ** ** expected ** **.
** *** **** **** *********, *** what ** **** *********** ** ******** in **** ******* ** *** ******* of **** (****** ** ***). ************* used ** **** *** ******* ******* for "***" *****-****** *****, *** **** now *** **** ** *** **** major "**********" ** ***** *******. **** said, ******** ******** ***** (******, *****, etc..) ******** *** **** ****** **** the ******* ** ****.
********* **** **** ******* ** *** negative ************ "***" ** *** ******, is *** ***** ** *************** ***** ****. ****** **** ********/********* come ** ***, ****** *** ************ going ** **** *** **** *** region/country, ** ** ***** (** ***** in ***** ** ********* ******/****** *****). This ***** ********* **** ** ***** travel ***** *** ********'* ****. ** terms ** ********* ***** ** ** travel **** *** **** * ******** impact *** **** *********.
********* **** **** ******* ** *** negative ************ "***" ** *** ******, is *** ***** ** ****** ******* ** ***** ****
**** ***** *****. * ***** *** tax ****** ** **** ***** *** cost ** *** ****** ** *** show *****. **** **** **** ********* quickly.
* *** **** ****** *** **** a ***** ** *** ***** *** tripled ** ***** **** ****.
* ***** ** ****** ****. ****'* your ********** **** ********** *****?
***** *** ***** *** **. **** of *** ******** ***-**** ****** *** doors ****** ** *** **** *****.
*** ******** ** *** **** ** far **** ***** *********** **** ** are ******** ** *** *********. ** make * ****** **** ** ********* for **** ** **** ******** *** as **** ** **** * **** to **** ****. ** ****** ** have *** *** ****** ***** *** online ********* ** **** ** **** round **** ** **** ********** **** key *********.
* ******** ********* ** ******** *** criticism ***** ************* *** ******* *** of **** **** *** ** ********* for ****. * **** **** ** a ******* ******* *** **** ****** in ***** *****, ** ****** ********, the ******** ******** ******* ** **** abandon * ****** **** **** **** done ** *** ****.
***** ******** *** *** ** ***** of *** ********* ******, *** *********** can ****** ***** *** *** **** of ***** ********, *** *** ***** may ***** ********.
** *** *** ******** **** ********* like ****, ***, *********, ***. **** (all ********* *** ******** *** *** exhibit ** ****), *** **** **** they *** *** ******* ** **** is *** ** *** ****.
*******, ***** ********* **** **** *********** positioning ********, *** ****** *** **** they *** *** ** ** * show.
*** **** *** ********** ** **** cause *** ******** ** *** *** exhibiting ** **** * ****** ** the ********? * ***** **'* *** later.
***** ********, ******** *** ******* **** relatively ***** ******. ** *** ****** companies ** *** **** ** ***** booths ***'* ***** **** **** ********. For *******, ************ *** * ****** booth **** **** ** ***** ********* but ** **** **% **** ******* than ******.
**** ** ** *********** ************. *** sure **** ******* **** **** (****** there ** * **** *********** ******** in ***** **** **** * ******** trend), *** * ***** **** ***** that *** ******* ** ** *** can **** *** **** ** ****** the *********** ********* *** ***** ******** points ***** *** *******, ** *** recent **** ** * ******** *****.
*** **** ****** ***** ** ******** relative ** *** **** ** ***** involved ** *** ******** ******** ** the **. *** **** ****** *** ISC **** *** **** ****** **, from *** *********** ** ********* ******/*********.
****, ** *** **** *** ** ISC ****, ** ****/***, *** *** going ** **** **** ********, *** ultimately **** **** **** ********, *** it ** **** ************ ** *** lost ******** ***** ******** *** **** of *********, ************ ** *** *** the *** **** ******* ***** ** something **** ******* (**** * **** sales ******, **** * **** ****** of **** ****** ******* ** **** top * *******, ***.).
*** **** ****** *** *** **** out **** ****** **, **** *** perspective ** ********* ******/*********.
*** ** ***** ** '******** ******', both *** **** *** *******, *** North *******, *** **** ******** *** the ******** *****.
* **** ***'* **** *** **** it ****** ** **** ** *** have * *****, *.*., *** ****** is * ******** ***** ** ***** size / *******?
*** ** ***** ** '******** ******', both *** **** *** *******, *** North *******, *** **** ******** *** the ******** *****.
** *** ***** * ***** **** agreed **** ***, *** * ****** don't ***** **** ** **** *** more.
*** **** ******* *** ****** ** the **** ****. ***'* **** ****** ***** ****** is ********. **** **** **** *,*** exhibitors, *** * ***** ***** *** "average" ********* *** ** ***** ** people *****. *** ***** **** ***** 20,000 ***-********** ** *** ****. * would ******* ***** **** "******** ******" are **** **** */* *** ***** audience. ** ** ********* *** **+ years, ** ********** *** **** ***** are * *** ** *****-***** ****** that ****** *** ****. ***** *** are ***** *** ********, ***-***** ***** guys **** ******* ***********, **** ** people ********* "***** *** *** ****".
***** *** ********* *** * **** number ** ************* *********, *** *** or *** *** ** *** ****** audience *** *** ******* *** **** exhibitor.
****** ********-***** ***** ****** ****** ****** 3,000 ** ****, *** **** *** consider **** ***** ************* **** ********** have ******* "******** *****" *****, *** number ** ********** ****-***** ************* **** show ** *** *** ****, ******** to *** ***** ****** ****, ** less **** * ******** ** *** (IMO).
********** ***** *** **** *,***,*** ********** businesses. **** ** **** *% ** those **** "******** ******" ** *** West ******** *** ********, ** ***** be ************* ********** *** **** ** all **** ***** ******** ****** ** the ****, ***** *** ******** *******.
***** *** ~*,*** ********* ****** ** the ****** *** **** ********. * vast ******** ** ***** *** ****** to ** ****** ** *** **** products (****** **** *** **** **** true ****** ********* ***** *** *****).**** *** **** ******* ******* **** large ******* *********. ** *** ***** * ******** of ***** ********* *** ******* ******** makers ** *** ****?
*** **** ********* *** * ********* of ******** ******** *********.
***** *** **** ******!
*** *** *****, * *****, ****** I ** ****** **** ** ***** towards ****** ********** **** *** ****** companies, *.*., * ******** ** ******* 500 ********* ***** **** ** ***** 1 ****** ********* *** **** *** more *******, *** *** *****, ** will ** **** *****.
*** **** ******* ***** ***** ** integrators. **** *********** ***** $* ******* or **** ** *******. *** **** of **** *** ***** ** *** US? ***? *,***? * *** ********? I ***** ***** * ******** ** them **** * '******** *****' ** the ****.
*** **** ****, * ** ***** about *** ****** **** ****. * just ******* **** *** ******* *** **** ******* (**** **** the ******* **** ******** *******), *** *** **** ******** **,*** back ****. ** ***** ****** ****** rate ** ~*% ***** *** ******** is ********* *** ****** ***.
*** **** **** ****** *** **** smaller, **** *** ******** **** ** their *******, *** ** *** ***,***+ visits *** ***** *********, ***.
*** **** ****** ***** ** ******** relative ** *** **** ** ***** involved ** *** ******** ******** ** the **.
****, *** **** *** ***** **** people “******** ** *** ******** ********” in *** ***** ** *** ****?
*** **** *** ***** **** ****** in *** *****?
****** **** ******** ***** ** * barrel...
****, * **** ****** *** *********** not ****
****, *** **** *** ***** **** people “******** ** *** ******** ********” in *** ***** ** *** ****?
*** **** ** ********* *** **** "target ****" *********** *** *** ******** industry ** ***.
*** ** **** * ******* **********. Let's *** *** *** *** *** of **** ****** ******** ******** *******. Would *** ****** **** * **** to ***** ******** ******* ***** ** ISC ****, ** ***** *** ****** make * **** ** ***** ******** product ***** *** ** *** ****? (assume ** *** ******* ***** * pool ** ***** ******* ****** ****, not ******).
*** **** *** ***** **** ****** in *** *****?
*** ****** ***'* **** ********* ** ISC ****, **** **** *** ************ to ****, ** ***** ******, ** their ********.
***** *** ****** **** * **** to ***** ******** ******* ***** ** ISC ****, ** ***** *** ****** make * **** ** ***** ******** product ***** *** ** *** ****?
**** ***** *** *** ** **** way, * ***** * ***** ****** “make * **** ** ***** ******** product ***** *** ** *** ****”.
** **** **** ** *** **** do **** ********* *** *** ******** and *****?
** **** **** ** *** **** do **** ********* *** *** ******** and *****?
*** **** ** ******** ** * different ******. *** ******* ** **** discussion ** **** *** **** ** a "**** ******" **** ** ***, with *********** **** *** "********" ** decision ****** ****** **. ** ******** is **** ** **** *** **** a ******** ******** *** ** ** not * ****-****** *****. **** **** not **** ***** ** **** ********* event **** * ****** ********, *** that *** ***** **** ** **** the ****** ** *****, *** ****** trade *****, ** ****** **** ******* in *** ******** ********.
*** **** ** ******** ** * different ******.
* ***** *** **** ** *****, sorry *** *** *********.
** *** ****** * ***** ** replying **, * *** ********** ** the ******’* ************ *******:
***** *** ****** **** * **** to ***** ******** ******* ***** ** ISC ****, ** ***** *** ****** make * **** ** ***** ******** product ***** *** ** *** ****?
***** ********* ***** ** ** ****** exclusion ******* *** *** *******.
***** ********* ***** ** ** ****** exclusion ******* *** *** *******.
* ******* **** ***** ** ******* when * ****** **** ** *** a "******* **********".
*** *** ********* ******* ** *** security ******** ** **** ***** ** sales?
*** ********************* ********************* **** ***** *******? - (******** *****)
**** ********, (** *** ****** ** perceived ** ** *******), ****** ** a ********** *************** ** ********** ** *******.
** **** **********, *** ******** ****** becomes ***** ***.
**** ****, ***!
**'* *** ******** ******** ** *** video-surveillance ********; *** ****** *** **** elaborate *** *******, *** ******** *** company **** **. *********, **'* *** a **** ***** - ** "********" might *** ** * *********** ****, yet ** ** **** *******, *** if *** **** ** **** ** the *** ******, *** ****** ***********.
**, **, ***'** *** "*********", *** some ********* *** ***** ***'** *** as ****** ** ******* *** ****** out $$$ *** * **** *****, hotels *** ****** *** * *** of ***** ** ******** **** ***** (plus ******** ******* *** ***** **** later ** *** ***).
"**'* *** ******** ******** ** *** video-surveillance ********; *** ****** *** **** elaborate *** *******, *** ******** *** company **** **."
* ** *** ***** **** **** people **** *** ***** ** ******* this. (*** **** **** ***** ** under-represented ** *** ****).
**** **** - ***** ***** *** #1 ************ ******** **** ** *** US **** **** *** ********** **** industry ********** (***** *** ***) - is * ********* ********.
***** *** *** ****** **** ** spend **** ***** ** ******** **** own ********* ** *** ******** **** spending **** **** ** ******* ** having * ***** *** *.* ****.
*'* **** ** **** **** ******** traditionalists ** *** ** ********* ** wrong ****.
**'* *** ******** ******** ** *** video-surveillance ********
* ***** **** ****. *** ********, though, ** *** **** *** ***** peacock ******** *****?
*** ** *** **** ** **** in *** *** ******, *** ****** participate.
**** ***** **** ****:
**** ***** **** ********* ** ** x **, ***** ****** $***,***
* ***** *** *** **** *** Arecont, ****, **** ***** *********...
*** ******* * *** ** **** booth **** ** * **** ********* and *********** *** ** '*******' ******* regardless ** *** *** **** ***** is, ** ***** ** **** ** one ***** ******* ** *** **** floor *** *** **** ** ****** booth **** ** ********* ****. *****? Disagree?
****** ************:
**: "* ***** ** *******'* *** Hikvision/Dahua ******* ******* ******* ** *** and *** *** ***"
****: "* **** *** ***** **** out ** *** **** *** *** how *** ***** ***** **."
**:****** *****
****: "* **** *** ***** **** out ** *** **** *** *** how *** ***** ***** **."
***, ***'* ****** ***** *** ********* party! :)
***** ** ** ***** **** ******** money ** ********* *** ****** ********* sales. *** ******** ** ******* ** increases ***** ****** ** ***** *** heavy ******** ********.
*** *******, ** ********* **** ***** salespeople ***** ******* **** ** ********* for $*** ** $**** **** **** they *** ****** ** ******* ********* manufacturers. ********* ** ***** ** *** some *********** **** *** *** ** that ********** *** *********** *** ****? Hard ** *** ****.
** **** *** ***** ** ****** conversation *** **** ** **** * new *** ******* **** **** ** an *****.
** **********, * ***** ** ***** have **** ******* ** ******* *'* been ******** ******* ********* *** ***** for * *****. ***, ** **** all **** *******, *'* *** ****** sure ** ** ***** ** ** not.
* ***** **** ** ** ***********, but ****'* ******* ** ***** ** be.
*** **** ** **** * ********* that **** "**** ** *** **** I **; * *** ****** *** this ***** **** * ***'* ****". Axis ***** **** * *****-***** **** a ****** ***** ** **** ****** and * ***** ** ********* ********** from ***** *******, *** **** **** this ******* ***** **** * *** of ***** ***** ** **** *** big *** ****** **** ***.
**********, * ***'* ***** *** *** get ****** **. ****** $**** *** getting * ******* ***** ***** **** out ** ** * ****** *** move. *** **** ****** ********* **** people ****** "**. ****'** ** **** bad *****, **** **** *** * smaller *****", *** **** *** ** more ******** **** *** ***** **** to **** *** ***** **** *** not **** ** **** **** **.
***** *** ** ********* *********? ****, I ***** **, *** ** ***** require **************** *******, *** * ********** **********, and ***** *** **** (***-********?)
* **** *****, **** ***** *** probably *** ***** ****** *** ****** do ********* ****** *** ***** ******** $$$ ** ********. ** **** ******* is ***, **** ******* *** ****, get **** ***** ***** ****** ********* it's * *****.
(** * **** **** : ******** that ***** ***** *** * ***** at ***, *** ** ****** *** just **** - *** **** ***** spent ***, *** $$$ ** ***** alternative).
*** **** ****** ********* **** ****** saying "**. ****'** ** **** *** shape, **** **** *** * ******* booth", *** **** *** ** **** damaging **** *** ***** **** ** keep *** ***** **** *** *** have ** **** **** **.
*********. ** ****** ******* ** *** company, ** * ******* **** ** already ******* ** ** ********** **** this (*******, *****, *****, ***.) **** it **** ** ***** ** * sign ** ******** ****** *** ******* can ** ********* *********** ** ****** that **********.
** ********, ****, *******, ** ********* did ****, *** ***** ** **** a ****** ********* **** "** *** going ** ***** **** ***** ** our ******* ********" ** "**** **** having ** ***** ******" ** ********* similar **** ***** **** * *** folks ***** ***** ****** ** ****, but ** ****** ******'* ***** * mark.
** ****'* *** ****. * **** with * *** ** **** *** aren't **** * **** ******** *****. Most ** **** *** *** ***** jobs ****, *** **** ********* **** help *** ***** ********* ******* *****. These *** *** **** *** ******* is **** ** ** *** **** are *** **** *** **** *** decisions.
**** ***'* ******* **** ******* *** Internet. **** ****'* **** ***** ** pull ** **** *** **** ******* a *********. **** **** ** **** to ******.
**** **** **** * *** *******, ISC **** ** ***** ****** ******. It's ******, "** **** ** **** something ** *** ****". ***** ****'** put ******** * **** ** ********* at *** **** **** **** **** to **** **. *** **** ****'** really ****** ** **** *********, **** want ** **** ** ****** ****-**-****, and *** ******* *** ** **** to *** ***** ****** ** ** ISC ****.
*** **, ** *****'* ****** **** what ************* ** ******. ** **** show ** ** *** **** *** talk **** *** ** * **** demonstration, ** **** ** ***** ** come **** ******** ****'** *** ***'* knees. ** * ******* ***'* *****, we ***** ******** ****, *** ****'** be ** * ******* ************.
****'* **** **'* **** *** *** company. ** **** *** ****** **** is ** *** ********.
** ** *** ** *** ********, but ** ** **** * **** bad ****** *** *********** *** ********* the ******** **** ******* ** ***** to **** *** ******** ** (***).
*** **** (** ******* ***** *****) should ** *** ** ******* ******** inputs *** ******* ***** ********* *** want ** ******* ****, *** *** sole ** ******* ******.
** ** *** *****. ** **** goal ** ** ******* *** *********, can *** ********* ******* **** *** would ***** ** *** **** ** better ***** *********? ** **** ******* on **** **** ** ******* *** are.
*** ****** ************* *** *********, *** big ***** ** ** ***** ** ISC **** ** ******** *******. *** them, *** ******** **** ** * brand ********* ***** ** **** ** with ******* *********, **** *** *** products, ***.
*** ******* *********, * ***** ***** where ** ******* "** *** *****". Ill **** ** *** *******. * figure ** ***** ******** **** ** minimum *** ** **** **** * small ***** ***** *** ***** *** considered. *** ******* **** ***** ****** like ****, ** **** ***** *** overlooked *** ****** **, ********** ** you **** **** **** *********** *************** factor **** ***** *** ***** *** from *** *** ** ***** ******* companies **** *** *****. ** *** so **** ** ***** *** * big ***. ** * *** * choice ** ***** *** ** *** west ** ******** *********** *** ** company, * ***** ****** ******** ***********.
****, ** *** ***** ** ************* *** * ** * ** booth, *****, ***-**, ** ***** ** cost ****** ** $****:
***** *** *** **** ** ****** that *** ************** ** **. *** got ** **** * ******** ** relabelled *** ******* ** ******* **** booth.
* ******* **** **** ** ********** actually. ***** *** ***** ** ********** ;)
***** *** ******* ** *** ** impress ****** *** *** **** *******, but ******* ** ******* ****** *** buy *********.
***, **'* **** ****** ** ***** some ******* ** *** ********* ******** than ********* ** ****. **** ** to *** **** * ******* **** Avycon or ***** ** *** ****** ** small ********* **** ******* ********?
***** ** *** ****** **********,**** **** *** *** *** / Lorex ******** (****) ** ********* ********* $*** ******* ** ****** sales *** **** $** *******. ** that **** *** **** **** *** others.
** ********** ** **** ***** ********* generally **** **** ******* *** *** business ** *********** ** **** *** hoping ** **** **** **** **********. But ****** **** ********** ******* **** that *****, ****** ***** / ******* to **.
* ***** ****'* * ****** ******, but ******* * ******* *****'* **** exhibit ** *** **** ***** ** think **** ****'** *** ***** ** be ***** *********.
** **** *****'* **** ** ** ISC **** **** ****, ** ******'* make * *** ** ********** ** their ****** ****, *** ** ********* doesn't **** ** ** *** **** next ****, **** ***** **** * four **** ***** *** ******** ******** letting ********* **** ***** **, ******* that **** ** * ***, *********** story.
*** **** ** ** ******** ***. If *** ***'* *******, ***'** *** very *********.
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* ******** ********* *** * ***** this ** * **** *********** *****, so * **** **** *** *** discussion.
** *** ************ *** ** ********* on *** **** *** ********, ** more ******* *** ******** *** *********, is * ******* *** ***** ** do **** ** ***** ****** *********.
**'* * **** *** ** **. If *** *** ******** $**,*** ** that **** (*** **** ************* ****** do), *** **** *** *** ******** online?
*** ******** ** ** **-****** ***** is ********* ***** ** ** ******* but *** ******** ** **** *** reach (********* ** ******** ** *********) and ************** (**** ** ****** ** times) ** *** ****** ******.
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