Jonathan, I made this its own topic so people can see and discuss this.
Please enumerate the local stories that we are ignoring.
Thanks for making this a topic John. I do feel this has been discussed at lenght already.
I am not the only one pointing at situations on US soil like the boarder situating of prisoning children and keeping them from their parents for months.
As I understand from you and Charles, because there are many contracters and manufactures involved, you deem it not interesting enough.
Because the Chinese case has 1 name on the contract (HIK), you deem this worthy of a lenghty article. I don't think Hik now has builders in their employee base, they probably outsourced it.
I have pointed out that I don't agree with this assessment. Either both deserve attention or neither. Since you choose only one I made the above statement.
I have also pointed out I am not trying to compare the two, nor will I participate in a peeing contest to see which infringement on human rights is worse.
Maybe it's just me, but I cannot understand the purpose of this topic, other than to express a political opinion. People seem to use this site for information pertaining to security-related products and topics. How and where those products are used is the business of the end-user/owner.
Are you suggesting that integrators and/or video manufacturers be liable if a customer/business/government uses their products/services in an immoral way? Sounds like blaming the gun manufacturer for the shooting or the car manufacturer for the auto accident.
I understand Jonathan’s point. More focus on products and less politics.
I can’t imagine IPVM writing an article about the US Govt using a US brand of cameras with facial analytics to separate families at the border with a 95% known failure rate, making houses of worship install Government monitored cameras and no ability to argue the results.
Especially if the US Govt owned 42% of that company and awarded it as a sole source agreement.
That would certainly not be news. Or would it?
Jonathan, you are whining; to complain in a feeble or petulant way.
All media outlets, every single one of them, need to generate money to stay in business. All will be selective in what they report because they need to retain readers and readers want relevant, educational, and interesting stories to read. Detaining criminals at the USA border isn't any of those things.
You are obviously personally affected by the Hikvision coverage, either emotionally and/or financially and you are responding with unconstructive behavior.
Since you are such a strong supporter of Hik, your time is better spent writing to them and asking to stop supplying and profiting from tools to enact systematic human rights violations and to stop adding backdoors to their products and then lying about it or claiming 30,000 engineers all missed it. That way IPVM would have nothing more to report on and you can be happier and wealthier.
First, HIK is owned by the Chinese government. In any communist country business and politics are basically one. Second, I was waiting for you to start bashing Trump. I knew it was coming. You finally referred to the current administration. You love to talk about children being separated from their parents at the border but do not have the entire story. You are just repeating a talking point from politicians. That policy didn't start with Trump and many of the children are unaccompanied minors. Since you want more human rights stories like this, let's talk about rape statistics in the Netherlands? According to a 2014 study published by the European Union Agency for Fundamental Rights, the Netherlands had the fourth highest prevalence rate of physical and sexual violence against women in Europe, with 45% of women having experienced such violence, which is well above the European average of 33%.
I am just making a point there. IPVM should on stick to industries stories, not just products. IPVM does a good job of in that regards. The only reason IPVM should be talking about the border is if there is a RFP or Congress passes funds for security on the border. That is industry related. IPVM has helped me by reporting such things as security funding for schools.
I honestly can't believe I've really taken the time to read this whole thread. Goodness gracious. What nonsense. We are very lucky to have IPVM doing what they do in our industry. And in my view, they do an outstanding job of it. JH and team IPVM, stay the course.
I see a lot of references to "human rights infringement", "imprisoning of children", "companies are benefiting from this travesty on American soil", "the travesty the Uyghurs are facing in concentration camps by the Chinese government" These are all emotion based statements with subjective opinions on things happening in the world. They really don't have any bearing on the industry. What does have a bearing on the industry is that the US government is looking at these things as part of the consideration for the decisions they are making that actually do impact our industry, like trade tariffs, product bans, etc. "All is said is IPVM is subjective journalism" All journalism is subjective. I have not seen an objective non biased reporting of anything anywhere any time ever. The journalist will ALWAYS in some way present the discussion of information they way they interpret it base on the data they gather. That data may be incomplete, or skewed when provided to them, they may have pre conceived Biases that the data will not change or cannot change. I think IPVM does an excellent job of attempting to report on things in a manner that provides information for you to analyze and help you determine what products best fit your needs as an offering in the business. These comments referencing US companies making money off of these "travesties" is in my opinion idiotic and has no point. The purpose of businesses in this industry is to make money as is the case with every business. Do we have the ability to improve life safety in the process yes, is that a great thing? yes. But the fact that these facilities exist means there is a need for these systems, and our industry is here to fill whatever need exists. To think that profits will not be made addressing those issues, or that it is in some way immoral for the companies that do profit from these jobs is naïve at best. Border security in the US has always been a large, and saught after source of revenue in our industry. being government jobs, they are also heavily impacted by international factors like the Hik ban. The OEM issue makes it much more important and impactful on the industry. The fact that many manufacturers now hav product that they use dpreviously on government jobs that will now be banned is a Huge issue and driver of business within the industry. "Because the Chinese case has 1 name on the contract (HIK), you deem this worthy of a lenghty article. I don't think Hik now has builders in their employee base, they probably outsourced it." IPVM reported on this for the reasons I just listed. It is not just one company named. Hik and Dahua, and the OEM implications of Dahua are much more far reaching than the HIK issue, as far as impact to the industry. Personal political views, and views regarding the "Travesties" listed in the comments on this thread, have no place in being discussed on IPVM. They are not what the journalists at IPVM are here to report on. They are here to report on industry news that is impactful to the industry on a large scale, and or that helps members determine what products fit their needs as an offering by educating on new and existing products, technologies, trends etc.