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In Defense Of The Milestone Marketplace

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Ray Bernard
Mar 01, 2019

John and all, my apologies for the long comment (if you want you can move it off to another page) but only part of what is being said here rings true for me.

I don't think you can evaluate Milestone's Marketplace like you do a product. It's an initiative with very strong investment by Milestone. Right now we see the framework being described. It's a framework for interaction, and it's new so there the interaction is just starting.

Consider the difference between IP Video Market.info when it first launched, and what the IPVM experience is now. IPVM launched received mixed reviews, and as I have said from day one, IPVM will be (and now is) an incredibly important resource that it's hard to imagine going without. Most of the initial criticisms of the nascent IPVM have been proven false given the depth of what IPVM has evolved into. And it's still growing.

In order to have correctly evaluated IPVM at its launch, you'd have to have looked at what value the IPVM vision was and what its value would be years out - and what the value of video would be in the future that we are now living. Part of the IPVM vision was a knowing belief that video would become a critically important technology well beyond what it was at IPVM's birth. 

I interpret Milestone's statements on frictionless engagement to be a statment of intent about what they have intvested in and commited themselves to bringing into fruition.

Just like some said that IPVM would be a flash in the pan and so on, others with a more forwward looking view didn't think so. (Slight pause while I pat myself on the back.) I took heavy criticism from some industry folks for being pro-IPVM at that time. Not any more.

Milestone is more energtically serious (that's the opposite of deadly serious) about Marketplace than I can remember any company being about a comittment to things of smaller scale than this global initiative. It's not about product - it's about how we conduct business from initial states of awareness of a technology's potential - all the way to partnering with the people that can make it happen as customer deployment.

Consider the complex computing, network and data exchange infrastructures that are involved in what technology is making possible. Legacy thinking is a system deployment with workstations and servers, an O/S and a few software products. Tomorrow's deployments (some are already happening now) are virtualized systems with thousands of mobile users, many dozens of systems interacting, hundreds of software components running on virtualized compute platforms - some parts on premises and some parts in the cloud - that can be evolved and expanded as technology advances. 

To support that kind of infrastructure requires a different approach to "going to market" than could be done in the past. It will only work because (a) it's needed and (b) it's the only way to do business given the exponential advance of technology and the explosion in the number of products. Right around the corner are micro-products - software and virtualized hardware resources that can subscribe and deploy instantaneously. 

So I see the Marketplace vision as one that is intended to evolve as the nature of products evolves and as the relationships between service providers and product providers become more numerous and more important.

Continuous delivery and continuous deployment are the engineering approaches to provide applications that evolve in place. We see that in our phones and where IT has shifted to. Do you think that the security industry's approach to going to market is a fit for that? PSA Secrutity Network is working hard to help integrators transition into a world in which subscription-based services and RMR are foundational elements. It's been an uphill journey so far - because of the mismatch between 20th century industry practices and those we need now.

Also take into account that Marketplace has community dynamics which, when energized, tend to take on a life of their own and keep growing and evolving.

I think that one of the most important statements Milestone made, which I didn't see in this report, is that Marketplace succeeds when its members succeed - and their success is the measure of Marketplace's success. That's what it's intended for and I think is a missed point in this article. Not just "success" in terms of selling stuff, but success that means the industry service providers live up to the promise of technology by helping their customers make maximum use of it.

Is that the future that you want, or do you want the security industry to stay the way it has been for the last 50 years? IPVM was started beause many things about the way the industry worked were seriously flawed. And there is no questioning that IPVM has had beneficial impacts on the industry and has made life easier for many consultants and service providers and their customers.

I think we'll be saying similar things about Marketplace just a few years from now - and it will only then still be getting started.

NOTICE: This comment was moved from an existing discussion: Milestone Launches Marketplace Where Nothing Is For Sale

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JH
John Honovich
Mar 01, 2019
IPVM

Ray,

Thanks for your thoughtful comment. I've made this its own discussion so more can see. If you have an idea for a better title, let me know and I'll change.

A couple of things, let me say I agree with this:

that Marketplace succeeds when its members succeed - and their success is the measure of Marketplace's success

I don't think Milestone's intentions here are in question. They clearly mean well. And I would go farther and say that Milestone is the best VMS at doing partner sales (that they had 50+ partners at the show and 700 attendees is a testament to that).

I also think the idea or 'vision', as you mention, is worthwhile.

My concerns are with the execution and the timing:

1. Doing a real marketplace like Uber or Match.com or probably a better example, the Salesforce Store (Appexchange), is really hard to practically infeasible with a client-server system like XProtect. 

2. They might, years in the future, accomplish this app store with Arcules but Arcules is a mess right now. It's an open secret. Maybe they will fix it, maybe they will merge Arcules back into Milestone but they have a lot of work ahead of them.

3. What they released now is a fancy Solution Finder and not a marketplace in any sense of the word. Timing counts. Making big declarations too early and people (both internally and externally) will eventually lose confidence (though not at first since it sounds exciting to most).

Here's an example. A few years ago Bozeman made big public proclamations about the imminent disruption of robots. I correctly criticized him for it. One day, Bozeman will be 'right'. He'll probably be retired at that point but he will be right then.

Timing is key. Being far too early is ultimately being wrong and one will suffer the consequence of doing so even if you get people excited at first.

Again, I think Milestone has good people and means well, just have pulled the trigger too early and with too little substance to make it work.

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UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #1
Mar 04, 2019

I'm not a Milestone VAR but very familiar via osmosis.  That being said, I mentor several younger industry peers in the industry who are and they have had nothing but success (outside of Milestone's standard VMS offerings) utilizing Milestone's internal support, their library of integrations and their partners.

When their offerings are "refined" in 2019, they will be the initial push into the Marketplace.  It will be the defining moment within our industry when the 2MM~3MM annual hyper-tech savvy integrator's who has sweated payroll for development for the last 2~3 years drops some pretty serious applications utilizing Milestone's network.  Don't think of a single line offering like Arcules, think (most) everything that has an API.  It's real, and it works and everyone seems to be playing nice with one another.

Ray's timing is off (it will be sooner than later) and John, of course, as an industry, we all look forward to your take when it hits.

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John Honovich
Mar 04, 2019
IPVM

When their offerings are "refined" in 2019

it will be sooner than later

#1 thanks!, Though, I doubt even Milestone agrees with that optimistic time frame. If they did, they would have reasonably announced it, i.e., on the stage that later in 2019 that an app store would go live, etc.

I hope they do that, it would be good for the industry. But they keep talking and talking about it, recall their 2016 'Community' MIPS also hyped up an app store, still waiting.

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UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #1
Mar 04, 2019

John,

I stand corrected.  These will probably not be (at least initially, unless they can be monetized, which I'm sure will have cross licensing and a myriad of other issues) initial Marketplace offerings in the true sense of and "app" or anything app "esg", if at all.

All of this is end user driven for their existing customers.  I'm bounced weekly about developments in this space and offer guidance.

Is the PISM market is even going to exist in 2 years when someone can do a clean interface not licensed by the population count, but by the 150 hours it cost (in-house) to build with some annual residual for maintenance?

It is truly amazing what these guys have done in-house with Milestone's support, on their own dime, vs. what you would pay someone 50K per instance with additional licensing.

No one in this industry plays in Milestones space, not even close.  Not a VAR and no ownership.

It's a game changer.  I get nothing out of it other than knowing that I'm influencing and hopefully, keeping them from falling on a sword.

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