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Imagine You Were Just Hired To Lead Hikvision... What Would You Do To Combat IPVM?

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Undisclosed #1
•Jul 17, 2019

serious question...

I'm curious what people think could be done to combat all the bad publicity.

******.

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JH
John Honovich
•Jul 17, 2019
IPVM

********, * *** ********** *** ******** of **********, ***...

****'* ****'* ** *********** *****. ******* to **** **** ****** *** *** happy ** **** ******** ** *********** tactics.

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Anthony Jones
•Jul 18, 2019

**** **** * **** *******. 

 

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JH
John Honovich
•Jul 18, 2019
IPVM
In reply to Anthony Jones

****, * ***** *** *** ******* for *** ******* ***** ;)

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UI
Undisclosed Integrator #2
•Jul 18, 2019

* ***** ***** **** *** *** entire **** *** *** ******* ****, adventure **** ** ** **-********* ****** of ***** ******!

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U
Undisclosed #3
•Jul 18, 2019
IPVMU Certified

*) ***** **********

*) **** *** ******

*) ********** ******** ** ******* *******

*) ******** ***

*) *** **** *** ***** *** won’t ** ** *****

 

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JH
John Honovich
•Jul 18, 2019
IPVM

**** **, ******, ***** **** ************ tactics *** *********.

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UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #4
•Jul 18, 2019

**** ****** *** ************ ******** ** a *** ******* **** *****'* ***** chineeseish *** ** *** ********** **** the **********. 

***** * ******* ** *** ** to ******** ***** *******. 

** **** *** ******** *** ********. 

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JH
John Honovich
•Jul 18, 2019
IPVM
In reply to Undisclosed Manufacturer #4

**** ** ****, ** ***** *** Hikvision *** **** ~*% ** ***** total ******* ** ********* *** *** have * **** ********* ** ****** the **.

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Shannon Davis
•Jul 18, 2019
IPVMU Certified

* ***** *** ** ***** ******** measures ** ***** ****. **** ***** with *** ******** ******** *** **** denying ** ******* *** *** **** breaches *** *** **** ******** ******* ready ****. *** ******** *** ***** testing ** *** ********* ***** * was ******* *** ******* ** ****** there ****'* *** ******** ***** *** back ***** **** ** ********. ***** the ****** ** *** ******** ** the ******** ***'* **** ** ****** there ** * "******" **** *** product ******* ** *** ********* *** prices. **** ***** **** "********" ***********. Build * ******* ** *** ** and *** ** *** ***** ********** over **** ** **** *********. 

* ***** **** ***** *** * need ** ******** ** *** **** something.

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Jon Dillabaugh
•Jul 18, 2019
Pro Focus LLC
In reply to Shannon Davis

*** **** ** **** ** ****** sharp ********, *** ********* *** **** almost *** ** ***** ****** ****** the ******* ** *** ****. 

***** ******** - ***** ***** ***** and *** *** ***** ***** ********

**** **** ****** * *** ********* authority 

**** ****** *** ****** ** ** for *** ****** ** **** *** analyze ***** ****** ****

***** ***** ******? **** ***** **** uncapitalistic, *****? *** *** ****** *** the *****. 

******** ***********? ***’** **** ** **** me **** ******** ** ****. ** you **** *** *******, * ***** it *** ********, *** ****** *** mark. 

**** *** ***** ***** ******** ***** they *** ***. *** ****’* ******** to *** ****, *** *** **** compelled ** **** **** ***** *** how ** *** ***** ********. ****** very *************. *** ******. 

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SD
Shannon Davis
•Jul 18, 2019
IPVMU Certified
In reply to Jon Dillabaugh

**** *** ********. *’* *** ******* them *** ** ** ********. **** can *** ***** ******** *** **** want. * **** ****** *** ***** my ******** ** ** * **** hired ** ** *** ***. ********* I ***** **** **** **** *** does. **** ** **** * ********* I ********* ****’* ***** ** *** again * ****** ***’* ****. 

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JH
John Honovich
•Jul 18, 2019
IPVM
In reply to Jon Dillabaugh

***** ***** ******? **** ***** **** uncapitalistic, *****? *** *** ****** *** the *****.

**** ******** ***** ****. * ** actually ***** * **** ********** **** can ** **** ***** ******* ***** prices ** ** ***** ******* *** sales **********. **** ****** (********** ****** ones) **** ******** **** **** *** prices *** ********** ******* ***** *****. If *** *** ******* ********* ** critical ******** **************, *** ********* ****** of ******* *** ***** **** ** on **** *** **** *** ** negative. ********* ****** ******, ********* *******, into *** ******* ***, ***** *** month.

****, ****** '*** ******' ** *** setting *** ***** *** *********. *********, even ****** *** ******* ********** *********, has * ******* ******** ****** ** China **** ****** *** *********** *** US ***.

***** ***** ***** *** *** *** drive ***** ********

***, ** * ***** ** ****, Chuck ***** ** ********* * ********* employee *** ** **** **** ** evidence **** ** ****** ** ***** engineering ********* ***** ********* *************. * think ** **** * **** ********* job *** **, *************, **** *** have *********** *********.

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Jon Dillabaugh
•Jul 18, 2019
Pro Focus LLC
In reply to John Honovich

*’* ****** ** ******** ** *** presentation ** *** *** **** ** Detroit. ** ** ****, ** *** driven *** ** *** **** *** their *** ******, *** **** ****** a ********* *********, ***** *’* ********** unsure ** **’* *****, *** ** was * ***** ** ***** *** him. *’* ******** **** *** * big *** *** ***, ** * would **** *** **** ****** **** just * ***** ****** ** *** marketing ****. ** ***’** ***** *** the ***, *** ******. **’* * very ********** ******. 

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JH
John Honovich
•Jul 18, 2019
IPVM
In reply to Jon Dillabaugh

* ***'* ***** **'* ** ********** presenter, *** ****'* **** **** ********* people ***, *** ****'* *** *** same ** ***** ** ** *********** or ******* ********.

*** *** **** **** ** *** expos ** *** *** *** ******** running ***********.

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U
Undisclosed #12
•Jul 18, 2019
In reply to Jon Dillabaugh

***** ***%

$** ******* ****** ******* **** *** have ** "******" ****

**** ****** **  

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JH
John Honovich
•Jul 18, 2019
IPVM
In reply to Undisclosed #12

** ***!

**** ** *** ********* **** ** about *** ** **********?

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U
Undisclosed #12
•Jul 18, 2019
In reply to John Honovich

** ***! **** ** *** ********* they ** ***** *** ** **********?

********** *******

**** *** ******* *** ** *** buying

**** **** **** ******:)

 

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JH
John Honovich
•Jul 18, 2019
IPVM
In reply to Undisclosed #12

**** ** *** * ** **** they **** **** ** *** ***** Colorvus **** **** **** **** *****...

*** **** ** **** ** ** something ***** *** ** **********.***** ** ***** **** **** ******* *** ********* *** ******* *** better **** ****. ** ****** *** are ***** ** **** ** *** difference (*** ** *** ********* *** have ***), ********* ***** ** ** done, **?

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Steve Saltzgiver
•Jul 22, 2019
IPVMU Certified
In reply to Undisclosed #12

*** ** ****** ****** *****!  **'* sad **** ***** ** **** ********* to *** ****** **** *** ***** they *** ****** ****!

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UI
Undisclosed Integrator #5
•Jul 18, 2019

**'* **** ** ** ******** *********** as *** ** ******** **********. *'* sure ** ***** ** **** ** pacify ****, *** **** ***'** ** a ******* **** *****, *** **** to **** ** *** **** **** of *** *****. **** ****** **** is **** *** ********.

** *** ******* ***** ***** ***** *** ***** (***** is **** **** ****** ****** ** much ** *** *******), **** * would **** ***** ***** ********, **** doing ******** **** *** ******* **********, sign *** ********** ******, ****** **** in ***** ********, **** ***-***** *** testers ** **** *** *******, *** do * ********* ******** ***** *** much *** ******* *** *******.

*** ******** **** *** **** ***** business ** ***** ** **** *** party *****, *** ***'** **** **** is ******* * ********* ***. **** are **** ****** *** ***** **:

- **** **** ****'* ***** ******* to *** ** *****'* *** ************ emails **** *** ********* ***

- ***** ** *********** ** **** that ** *** ***** ** **** ;-), *** *** **** ****** *****'* talk ** **** ***** ********

- **** * ***** ** ****** join *** **** ***** *** ***** giving *********** *** ****** ** **** up ***** ***** ********* ******, ** a ****-**** ****** ** ********* *** IPVM ***** (**** ** ******** *** best ****)

- **** **** **** ***** ***** companies, **** ** *******, ** *** if *** *** *** *** ** temporarily ****** ***** ************* ********* ********

- *** **** ****** ** **** accounts ** ******* ** ***** ******** about *** ***** **** ** *** how **** *****'* *** *** ** much ****** ******* ** **** **** to

- *** ** ** ****** **** that ** ******* ** ******** *** mistakes **** **** *** ****

- ***** ****** **** **** ******** works *** *** *** ** *** or *** ********** ** ******** ** State ********** ** **** ** ********* or ***** **** ********* *****

- **** * ******...

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JH
John Honovich
•Jul 18, 2019
IPVM
In reply to Undisclosed Integrator #5

***, ***** **** ****** **** *** as * **********! :)

- **** * ***** ** ****** join *** **** ***** *** ***** giving *********** *** ****** ** **** up ***** ***** ********* ******, ** a ****-**** ****** ** ********* *** IPVM ***** (**** ** ******** *** best ****)

- *** **** ****** ** **** accounts ** ******* ** ***** ******** about *** ***** **** ** *** how **** *****'* *** *** ** much ****** ******* ** **** **** to

***, *** **** ********* *** '** **** ****'!

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UI
Undisclosed Integrator #2
•Jul 18, 2019
In reply to Undisclosed Integrator #5

* ****** ** ****** **** ** funny *** * **** **** ** those ***** **** **** *********.

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UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #6
•Jul 18, 2019

****'* * ***** ***!  *'* ** months **** * ********** **** * small ************.  *'** **** *** **** changing *********** ** * ******* ***** a *** ** ****.  *** ** company *** ******* **** *** ********* that ********* ****.

* ***** **** ** *****; ********* is ******** ** ** *** ** the ****** ********* ** ******* *** legit ******** ********* ** ****. 

** ** ***** ** **** ** sales ** *********; *** **** ** know **** *** *** *** ***** to ****** ******* ** *** *** Chinese ********** ********** *** **********.

** ******** ***** ** ********************* **** **** *** ***** ** sales ** ****** **** ***'* **** IPVM.  ****'** *** ***** *******.  ***** on ***; ******** *********** ** ******** and ***** *********.  **** * ***** of ***** ******** ****** ***** ***** to ******-** *****.  **** ** **** Verkada; *** ** *** ***-**** ****** they *** ** ******.

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JH
John Honovich
•Jul 18, 2019
IPVM
In reply to Undisclosed Manufacturer #6

***** ** ***** ** ****** **** don't **** ****

***, ** ********, * ***** **** is **** **** *** ***** **** their ********* ***** ** *** *** the ********* **** ** ***** ********** sales ****.

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Jon Dillabaugh
•Jul 18, 2019
Pro Focus LLC
In reply to John Honovich

******** ** ** *** ***, * think **** * ***** ******** ** his ***** ** ** ***** *** end ********. ***** **** ********* ***’* care **** **** ******* ** ***** it **** ****. ** *****’* *** a *** ** ***** ** ***** higher *** ********. ** *** ******** of * ***** ***** *** ***, even ****** ** ***’* ** *** numbers. 

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UD
Undisclosed Distributor #7
•Jul 18, 2019

**** ** ********* ** ****** ******* it's * ***% ******* ********, *** I'll ***** **** ***** **.

** ******* *** ********* *** *** in *** **, * ***** ********** get *** ** ***** *** *** involved **** ** ** **** **** and ***** *****. 

* ***** **** ********* *** ***** allow **** ** *** *** ** based ********* ** **** **** **** and ***** **** **** **** *** to ****** *** ******** ***** **** are *******, *** *** ** ***** the ****** ** ******* **** ******* chinese ****. 

* ***** ******* **** *** ** operation *********** **** ********* ***** ******* with *** ********** ******* *** ***** meant **** ** ***** *** ******. 

******** ***** ** ******** *** ******** by ********** ***** ** ****** ************* compliance *** ****** ****** *********. ****** communications **** *** ** ********** ** order ** *** ** ****** *** reputation *** **** **** ***** ** the *** *** ** ***** ******.

********** ***** **** ** ***** ** acceptable ***** ** ************ ** ***** to *** ** **** **** ***** within *** ********.

********** ** ********** ****** *** **.  Manufacturing ** ******** *** ** *** question *** ** *****, *** ******** development, ******* ********** *** ***** ***** that *** ******* ** ** ***** would ** *********.

JH
John Honovich
•Jul 18, 2019
IPVM
In reply to Undisclosed Distributor #7

* ***** **** ********* *** ***** allow **** ** *** *** ** based ********* ** **** **** ****

****'* ** *********** *****. **********, **** are ******* ***** *** ******** ***** their ****** ********** ******* ******* *** nationals**** *********** "****** **********" ****.

** ********, ****** '*********' *** *** issues. ***, ***** ** ****** ** issue - ****** *** ********* *** are ********* ** *** ******* / CPC, ** ****** ********** ** **** a ********. ******, ** ** **** for **** ** ******* *********. **** of ******** ******** ****** **** ****** down *********** *** ********* **** *********. How **** ** **** ** ****** because ** '*** *****' ** ******* they ***'* **** ** **** *** the ********* ***** ** ***** ** unclear, *** **'* * ********* *****.

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U
Undisclosed #8
•Jul 18, 2019

******* *** ***** ****** *** *****.  Focus ** ***** **** *** *********** market, *** ****** ** ******** *****.   

***** ******** ************* *** ****** ** educate ***** *******, ***** ** **** entire ******* ** **** ********* *** Nest ** ********* *******.  ** ****** a ******** **** ********* **** ****, cheaply, *** **********.   

*** **** ** ******** ** ** you **** ** *** *** ** the **** ******* ** **** **** from ****** *** ******.  **'** **** Zuckerberg *** **** **** ******** ** that ********... *** ******?  ********** ***** have ***** ****** *** **** *** Nest ***** ****** *,*** *********.  ******* is ***** ***** ********.  *** *** we **** **** ******* ***********?

******** *** ***** ****** ********** ***** happily *** * ********* ******** ** it ******* **** ********* **** **** for *******.  **'* *** ***** ********. 

(*'* *****.)

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Brian Rhodes
•Jul 18, 2019
IPVMU Certified
In reply to Undisclosed #8

******* *** ***** ****** *** *****. Focus ** ***** **** *** *********** market, *** ****** ** ******** *****.

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U
Undisclosed #8
•Jul 18, 2019
In reply to Brian Rhodes

****** *****!  * ****** **** ***.

* **** **** ***** ******** ******* concern, ****....  ****** ******* **** * missed ** *** ****** ****.  *** the *** **** ** *** * millennial *****.

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UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #9
•Jul 18, 2019

*** ***** ***** * ***** ** is *** *** ****** *** *** big ** ** ****** **** ** really ******.  ***** **** ** * huge ******, ** ** ********* *** business ** * *****?  ** ***** is *** *** ** ** ****** to **** ******** ********* *** ** guesses.

****** ****, * ***** *** ******* of *** ******** ** *********.  *** does ********* **** ** "******" ****?  Is *** ********* ******* ** **** valid?  ** **, ********* ** **** only ****** *****-**** *****, ** ***** are *** ***** ** ***.  *** most ********** **** *******, ****, ***** be ** ****** **** ****.  ********* is * **** ************, **** ***** assign *** ** *** ****** ** follow **** *** ****** **** **** and *** ****, ******* *** ********* then ********* **********.  *** ****** ****** by **** ***** **** ** ********* compared ** *** **** ** *** workload.

** *****, ** * **** **** hired ** **** ********* ** **** would ** ** **** ** **** the ****** **** ****** ********, ******** operations, *** ******* *********.  **** **** mindset, **** ***** *** ** ****** as ** ***** **** * ****** to ****** *** * ******** ** help ** ***** ** *******.  ********* is * ******* ******* **** ** unbelievable ****** ** *********, *** ***** those ********* *********?  

 

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JH
John Honovich
•Jul 18, 2019
IPVM
In reply to Undisclosed Manufacturer #9

*** **** ********* **** ** "******" IPVM? ** *** ********* ******* ** IPVM *****?

*** ***** * **** **** ********.

*** ******* ** **** **** '*********' cannot ** *********** ***********. ****, ****** like **** ***** ******* ***'* ****** delivers ** *.* *** ** */*** shutter, *** *** **.

*** *** ** *** *****: ****** the ******* ********** ** *** *********** shareholder ** *********? **** ** *** right ********** ** ***** ****** - the ********* ******* ******** ** *** CPC ** *** ************* ********** ** the ****?

***** *** *** ***** ** ****** that '******' ******** *** ****** **** IPVM *** *********** *** ********* ******* in *** ******* *****. 

********* ** * **** ************, **** could ****** *** ** *** ****** to ****** **** *** ****** **** John *** *** ****, ******* *** verifying **** ********* **********.

***, ** *********'* ******, **** ******* have **** *** *** ********** *** no *** ** ********* ** ********** to ******** ***** ** ****** ** the **** ***** ******* ********** *******, human ****** ******, ***. ******* ** very ********* ******* ********** **** ********.

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UE
Undisclosed End User #10
•Jul 18, 2019

**** **** ******* ***** *** **** enemies ******.

- ******* ********

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Niall Beazley
•Jul 25, 2019
In reply to Undisclosed End User #10

* ******* ******* - *** ***! The *** ** ***...

U
Undisclosed #11
•Jul 18, 2019

**** ******? **** *** *********?

U
Undisclosed #13
•Jul 18, 2019

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UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #14
•Jul 18, 2019

* ***** *** ** ****** *** situation *** ** ****** ***** **** we *** ***** ** *** **** agree ** ******** ** *** ****. Best ******** ** ** ****** *** perhaps **** ***** **** **** ******** critics. ****** **** **** ***'* ****** or **** ******* ** **** **** not *** **. **** ** *** rocket *******.

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Richard Vincent
•Jul 18, 2019

** * **** *** ********* *** director * ***** **** *** ***** about ** ******* *** *** *********. I ***** ***** * ******** ** educate ** ****** ******** **** ********* takes ************* *** *** ********* ** our ******** *********.

* ***** **** ** ** ****** code *** ******** ******. * ***** continue ** ******** *** *** ***** continuously. 

****. ****'* **** **** *** *****.

- ****** **** ** ********* ** any ** ********** ****** (*** **** for * *****) ******* ** *** ***** manufacturer *** ******* ****
- *********, ********* **** *** ** known ****. *** *******.
- ********* ************ * ** **** 3 ******* **** ** ********** **** designation.

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UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #15
•Jul 19, 2019

** * **** *********, *'* **** in ** *** *** ***********, ******** up ****** ****** *** **** ************** ***** *************, *** ********* ** strengths, ***** ** * **** ****** for * ************ *** *****. "****, some ******** ****** ***** ***** *******, but ****'* **** ******* ****'** *** scared ** ******* **** **! **** at ** $**.** ***! *** * six **** ** **** *** $***! Look ** *** ***** *******! ** you********** ** **** ********* ** ******* at **** ********?"

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JH
John Honovich
•Jul 19, 2019
IPVM
In reply to Undisclosed Manufacturer #15

*** ** **** ** * ** getting *** **** ** ****:

*** *********** *** *** *** ******** $50 * ***** *** **********! ** include **** *** **** **** ****** trained ******** ********** *** ************** *********** your ****!

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U
Undisclosed #8
•Jul 19, 2019
In reply to John Honovich

**'** **** **** ** **** ********** system **** *** *** **** **** Aging *********™. 

*** *** **** ******** **** **** as *******, ***** ** **** **** loved **** ** ********, *** **'** store **** ***** **** *** ********* of **** ******** **** *** ***********.  

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UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #15
•Jul 19, 2019
In reply to Undisclosed #8

"*** *****? **'* *****!"

-*** *** ************

Fm
Fender man
•Jul 19, 2019

***** ******** **** **** ****.** ********. 

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Tim Duggan
•Jul 25, 2019

*** *** 

UI
Undisclosed Integrator #16
•Jul 25, 2019

*** ***'* ***** *** *****just ****** **, **** ** **** ********** *** **** well ********** *** *** *******, ********, laboratories, *******, ******** *** ******* ** is ****** ** ********* ************* *** handle ** *** *********** *** ******** with *** **** ********** ** *** world **** ****

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Richard Vincent
•Jul 25, 2019

** * **** *** *** ** HikVision * ***** ******** ***** ** the ******* **************. *** ******** **'* not ********* ** *** ***** ******** security ************* ************** ** ****** *** or **** ******* *******. **'* ****** security ********, ********, ****, *** ****** architecture, *** *** ********** **** *** sh*t *** * ***** ** **** trust **** **** *** **** ** security ** * ***** ***** *********. 

*** ****** ******* *** *** ***** for ***** ******** ******** ************* *** top ***** ** ***** **** *********? i.e. ********* *** ******* **** *** is ******* **** ****** **** **** other ******** **** ** *** ****** is ******** ********** ***

** *** **** ******* ***** ** China ** ******** **** **** **** network, ******* ***** (** ****** *************) that's **** ***** *** *** **** manufacturer. * ********** ** *** ***** any ** **** *** ******** ** solutions *************.

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Daniel S-T
•Jul 25, 2019
In reply to Richard Vincent

***** * ********* *****, **** ***** the *********? ***** ** ****** ** end **** *** ** ** **** a ****** ** *** ******** **** allows **** ****** ******* ***********. *** you *** ***** *******, *** **** exploit ** ***** *****.

*** **, ****'* *** ****** ** HIK ******, *** **** ***** *** of *** ******* ********* ** *******, that ** * *** ****. *** why **** *** ****** **** ******* to ***** ** ***? *** **** Cameras "******* ****" ** ******? *** Avigilon ******* ******* ** ** ** Canada? ***, ** *** ****** **** network ********, *** ***'* **** ** worry ***** **, *** *** *** that "*******" ** *** ****** ** all? *** *** ** ****** ******* sending ***** ** ****** ** *******?

*** ***** ** ** **** ****. HIK ****** **** **** * ***** in ***** ******. ** ** *** installers. *** ** **** ******, **** the *** **** (** ** *******). They **** *** **** **** ******** flaws *** *****, *** **** **** trying ** **** **** ** ********** security ********, *********, ***'*. 

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Richard Vincent
•Jul 25, 2019
In reply to Daniel S-T

*** *** **** *** *** ****? 3rd ***** *********** *** *** ****** hunters *** *** **** ***.

**** *** **** -> *****://***.*****.***/***-***/******.***?*******=****

********* *** **** -> *****://***.*****.***/***-***/******.***?*******=*********

*** *** ******* **** ************* ** secure ***** ******** ** **** ********** cannot. ******** ******** ******* ********* **** a ************** ** ****** *** ********* HikVision, ****, *********, ******* ** *****'* matter ********** ** * ***** *****.

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Richard Vincent
•Jul 25, 2019

*** *****:

**** *** **** -> *****://***.*****.***/***-***/******.***?*******=****

********* *** **** -> *****://***.*****.***/***-***/******.***?*******=*********

"***'* ******* *** ****..." - ****** Flave

***

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Daniel S-T
•Jul 25, 2019
In reply to Richard Vincent

*** **, ****'* *** ****** ** HIK ******, *** **** ***** *** of *** ******* ********* ** *******, that ** * *** ****.

***** **** ** ** ****** ********* did ***** ** *****. * ***** claimed *** ****** ****** **** **** HIK ****** ******.

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John Stenmo
•Jul 25, 2019

*** *** ***** ** ** *******. 

U
Undisclosed #1
•Aug 05, 2019

***** **** ********* ** *** *** get **** ***** *******... *** **** it **** **** ******** *** ** if *** **** ** ************ ******* of **** ***** *******.

**** ******** ***** ****

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U
Undisclosed #13
•Aug 05, 2019
In reply to Undisclosed #1

* * * * * !

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