My understanding, from various internet references, is that IC Realtime is one of the legion of Dahua resellers. Dahua, though, is hot and an up and comer in IP cameras.
Thanks John I appreciate the quick reply. I am aware of the relationship with Dahua. I guess I should be more specific and maybe this isn't the venue to ask this question but... I'm looking for more operational experiences with IC Realtime such as customer support, technical support on the business side or customer experiences good or bad.
IC Realtime is more of a 'budget' / DIY / kinda trunkslammer brand. Hopefully there are some IPVM members who have experienced but that line is much more popular with the CCTVForum crowd. You might want to ask there.
I did a search of CCTVForum and found some positive and negative comments on IC Realtime. Here's a pro and con exchange.
Thanks- That blog looks like a throw back from 1995!
Just curious, since your a manufacturer, as to why you want to know?
Says one undisclosed to another undisclosed :)
Btw, I think it's a useful discussion, in general.
For all we know it could be one person having multiple comversations with themselves...........
I have purchased from ICR probably half a dozen times. They have always conducted themselves in a most professional manner. I've had a RMA, needed tech support and of course sales. I felt they genuinely 'cared' for me on each occasion and i am only a drop in the ocean to them. 3 yr warranty on product like most of the leading brands. I'm not a fan of their NVR GUI's but, hell they work and have caused me no issues requiring service. I can assure you as of this week, that their ICIP-D2000IR 2MP dome with 3mm-9mm vari. is a much superior camera, day OR night, than AXIS P3364-ve with its 'lightfinder' bs marketing! Granted the D2000 does have 700k more pixels but still is only half the price of the '64'.
For my business I see more profit in the future to the tune of $200 per camera (D2000IR) given the price and quality. I just need to plug it in side by side with a "64" and show the customer!! Trying a sales pitch using "cameras from ICREALTIME" and the customer is just going to say "who? No. Stay with Axis". Just lost myself an additional $200 per camera. That is a ton of money (at least in my pocket) on a simple 4 cam system!!
ICREALTIME - Professionally....all good in my book.
Their ICIP-D1300IR is a nice little 1.3MP but it has a rotten housing which is a pity. By design it offers little room to mark-up as usual.
Enjoy your weekend. You too John & co.
Richard, thanks for the feedback, very helpful!
A few things - we just ordered 3 Dahua cameras (including an IR model) to do a test. We'll shoot it out against some Axis cameras as well (including the 64). That said, it's a little skewed to compare an IR camera with a non IR one. Lightfinder is not BS marketing, it delivers impressive low light images without IR.
Finally, we'll also be doing a technology test of IR vs low light cameras to get a better sense of the tradeoffs between the two categories.
I saw them at ISC ths year and decided to give them a try as our lower end option. We use Avigilon and Mobotix Mostly.
Reason we thought it was a good solution is price, integration with Crestron, AMX, Control 4, Megapixel NVR with built in POE, works on Mac
User interface is nothing special but works, App is $30 which was a surprise.
Be careful trying to put multiple MP cameras on their NVR's as they are limited bandwidth
Just purchased 35ft License Plate camera for $699 to try at our showroom, good price.
Richard & Kris,
Sincere thanks, for your detailed experiences. This is exactly what I was looking for and this information combined with others helps allot. No matter if companies are an OEM/ODM or pure marketing distributor customer experiences, support and follow-up are all huge factors on value aside from there bottom-line revenue. I haven't met a company yet that has it all figured out. Any more positive/negative experiences are welcome!!!
Our first experience with IC Realtime analog DVR's was so nightmareish I am hesitant to use them again. We bought six 16 channel DVR's for a single job, and three went bad within five months. They were relatively helpfull and did replace them all, but we lost thousands of dollars in labor because their product kept failing. I'm not saying I will never touch them again - but I certainly won't start with such a big bet.
The main headquarters of IC Realtime is very close to me so i've been to their shop many times. Awesome showroom to bring clients and so on. Their tech support is top notch, always get a response, if not right away, they usually call back pretty quickly. And the products literally have never given me any problems yet!! Selling since about 8 years or so.
My only complaint with them is their margins!!! WAY TOOO HIGH!!! They triple their cost to dealers, leaving a dealer with less room for a profit. The owners drive extremely nice cars which they love to flaunt in the front of the building(Mercedes SLS and the other drives a Porshe)....... not very professional in my opinion. But all the power to them since they can afford it with their exorbitant pricing. Many other places to purchase the SAME dahua products from with fair prices.
All in all, great company and great support no doubt, just need to work on their pricing to be more competitive!
Hope this helps
btw, the company did $21.9 million revenue in 2012
Oh for sure they sell a ton!!! Not trying to hate on them at all. I like them a lot in fact, just the pricing needs to be a little more competitive is all.
I just had my first experience with them when a customer specified them in a RFP. Although I have not installed them yet, their support with pre-sales has been exceptional and so far I can't complain about anything.
I did just realize I dug up an old discussion (Sorry John), but since it's been a couple of years on this thread - I'll post my experience if/when I do the install. It's a big one with 18 DVR's and 200 cameras, so it should give me some good insight into their products.
I recently won a competitive bid on a project and the EU showed me one of the competitor's proposals. He was wondering what made IC Realtime's HD over Coax PTZ camera cost 3.5x what my LTS PTZ with better specs. I couldn't tell him and assumed it was case of margin overreach, but from some of the comments here it appears that may not be the case?
IPVMU Certified | 01/26/17 12:28pm
My experience is limited to two different people.
The first was a rep doing a presentation to a group at trade show. It was pegged as a class but I guess these classes are really educational sales pitches.... He was talking about how strong this camera was, used on yachts with saltwater, iron casting, gaskets, etc. So I asked if the camera was explosion proof and he looked at me and said "Well we never submitted it to an explosion" and carried on.
How could he not know what I meant?
The second time that really pissed me off was this sales guy used to call me at my former company every 2-3 months, read off a script, and completely forget anything we said the last time. His pitch started off with "We manufacture all of our cameras here in the USA." So I questioned that and " Oh yeah right here in Pompano Beach Florida" Finally I flat out told him it well known most of their stuff was Dahua. He had to check, called me back and apologized. It was the last time he called....
So from those 2 experiences, I lost any and all confidence in a product that is highly marked up to begin with.
Great for starters, contractors who dont really know much about cctv. Electricians who just need rebranded product lines , and old technology s sold as state of the art.
1.3mpxl is really 1080 I or 720 p technologies rebranded. low end chipsets
but the products i tried were not the greatest , OK for low end products
cosco, walmart, frys over the counter type products
great for starter companys
Silva Consultants | 01/27/17 04:58am
One of the clients that I served last year uses IC Realtime in over 100 locations throughout the western United States. I admit that I was surprised at the choice, but the client seems very happy with the product and the systems that I examined seemed to work just fine.
Apparently, the client couldn't see enough quality difference between the IC Realtime products and the products of the other leading manufacturers to justify the 2x to 3x cost difference.
Have the same circumstance with national accts.
Return for expense does not pencil out.
I see them constantly and new installs with other low end product lines.
Pro Focus LLC | 01/27/17 05:03pm
I just replaced two IC Realtime DVRs that had been hacked and were likely Mirai bots. The client said that when the DVR was plugged into his network, no other traffic could pass. Basically, the DVR traffic was congesting his network to the point where a simple credit card auth wouldn't pass. Simply unplug the DVR and all other traffic resumes as expected. When I attempted to make changes to the DVR, none would save, which leads me to believe that it had been hacked.
One contributing factor for sure was that the original installer (locksmith) never changed the default credentials and put the DVRs in DMZ. What we now know about Dahua and telnet, in combination with default creds and a DMZ allocation, there is no doubt these were hacked, IMO.
It was quicker and cheaper to simply order two new DVRs then to attempt to un-hack them, which is possible to do, but takes time. The other issue is finding updated firmware for the old DVRs that didn't have telnet enabled and allowed strong passwords. The replacement Dahua CVI DVRs check all of these boxes, plus have the ability to support HD cameras, where the old units were CVBS only.
Had he allowed me the time, I could have wiresharked them to find out what exactly was happening, but this was an out of town service call and time was of the essence. He also wanted the old DVRs left at the sites, as I was hoping to retain them for testing.
The default password thing has always been my number one pet peeve. Nothing that connects to the internet should EVER be left with the default password, yet it seems an industry standard to do so.
I have used IC Realtime for approximately 2 years now with approximately dozen installs. Most of my customers have been happy with their IP cameras. The first sales guy wasn't very professional, but would always call me back right away and was reliable for most part. Our new rep is more professional and reliable.
Some of the positives about IC Realtime is that they have a large selection of product. They could be a one stop shop. The quality of the cameras seem okay and for the most part the systems are easy to network and install. Their Tech support is okay. For the most part they can solve my problems and they take care of the RMAs pretty quick. They do also have a dealer cloud service too. Started using them with another company. They need to update the app for the cloud cameras.
I have noticed some issues however. Bandwidth on their NVRs are poor. Have a 32 camera NVR that cannot handle 20 camera 2 megapixel cameras. I wouldn't recommend using any pano cameras. I think their prices are too high for a lower brand option and I don't think that they would qualify as a "flagship" product for most company integrators. Brackets and accessories are way over priced. Not a lot of black colored housing camera options. I have been noticing more RMAs on their cameras as of late. If I would give them a grade it would be a C+/B-.
The iOS app is sh!te (same as Dahua rebranded), the motion sensing is sh!te, and information on how to do the most basic of things (email alerts based on motion, for example) is buried in threads on their forum. Tech support never answers the phone in my experience, but will call back oftentimes after my technician has left the site or after hours. They're very proud of their sh!tty iOS app, did I mention that? And then the Dahua backdoor thing hit, but I'd already moved on thank goodness, and never used their apparently insecure remote access service.
IC Realtime tends to deploy the same tactics as many other 'cheap' OEM products, as do the original manufacturers, and talk about 'channels' when it comes to NVRs. A 32 camera NVR is probably only capable of handling 32 cameras at VGA resolution if the scenes have any activity in them at all. This sounds more like a marketing scam than anything else. Dahua and Hik do this as well. Pushing a 64 'channel' NVR with a throughput of 160Mbps doesn't really make sense in the real world. Forget about the 'channels' and simply do a proper system design which allows for the nature of the scenes etc to prevent disappointment.
IC Realtime is an OEM for Dahua so in theory they both should have the same failure rates. I've used Dahua products for 11 years and love it but unfortunately Dahua is now directly competing against Oem's it seems and I'm not a fan. Makes our margins unrealistically low. We are slowly migrating to a new brand for this reason. It's a shame but what can you do.
IC Realtime was assembled here and the word on the street was that quality control went out the window as their Sales ballooned initially. I suppose they became victims of their own success in a way. For a while it was branded as 'made in the USA' although it was well known where the product was sourced and where it was assembled. I am sure that DAHUA has much better quality control and especially far better facilities!