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How Do Integrators/Installers Feel Toward A Distributor That Also Integrates/Installs.

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Chad Rohde
Feb 21, 2018

Good, bad, or doesn't matter either way? 

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Michael Miller
Feb 21, 2018

 Would be a deal breaker for me.

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Chad Rohde
Feb 21, 2018

Mr. Miller, would your answer be the same if the Distribugrator had substantially better prices, support, and product knowledge?

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Michael Miller
Feb 22, 2018

Chad in my experience I don't see much value with most distributors especially with distributors that are going to install the same systems they want to sell me. 

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Ethan Ace
Feb 21, 2018

Serious question: Wouldn't that just be an integrator?

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Chad Rohde
Feb 21, 2018

I guess it could be.

Either way, Mr. Ace, what's your opinion if you were a full time trunkslammer? (Right terminology??) 

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David Delepine
Feb 21, 2018
Brivo • IPVMU Certified

While we are not true distributors I think our business model may fall into this category.

We have leveraged our integration company’s bulk buying power into a value added reseller/wholesaler for others integrators to use. We currently have half a dozen other local (and some not so local) integrators sourcing cameras, access control and some alarm parts/services from us. I have been considering trying to expand and create some kind of collective and/or an official dealer program to further help other small companies in our industry.

I do understand that some integrators (especially larger and well established companies) may be concerned about purchasing from what they see as a competitor, but I uphold a strong commitment to all we work with: whether it be with subs, dealers, or just those who purchase equipment from us... I do not compete with my partners.

If after that purchasing from another integrator is still a dealer breaker for most, then that is ok with me. I would rather be someone’s shot of whiskey than everyone’s cup of tea.

So for integrators (and even trunk slammers) that need a little bit of guidance/support on their jobs, help finding specialty equipment, or just are looking for an alternative to ADI and Annixter we can be that shot of whiskey.

P.S. not an intentional attempt to promote my company, just providing some insight into why I feel there is a need/niche for our offering.

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Chad Rohde
Feb 21, 2018

I do understand that some integrators (especially larger and well established companies) may be concerned about purchasing from what they see as a competitor

This is where I get confused. Why would it be concerning? Unless they purchase the equipment and give them specifics on the job it was for. 

but I uphold a strong commitment to all we work with: whether it be with subs, dealers, or just those who purchase equipment from us... I do not compete with my partners.

I believe you. But unfortunately anyone that has the job info could do the same or worse. A distributor, an employee, the janitor.....

 

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't buy from my competition either, unless they where cheaper or the only in stock supplier. Or if I thought tech support was needed on that order and new they could provide it.

It's like a construction contractor not buying materials at Home Depot because Home Depot also does installations with same materials they sell.

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Jay Hobdy
Feb 21, 2018
IPVMU Certified

I doubt I would be comfortable with it.

 

I know the first time I lost a project to Distributor XYZ, it would probably be the last time I purchased from them.

 

Why should I help support the same company that is out there trying to get the same clients? I always feel like a business needs to have 2 or 3 frenemies, competitors that they can work with, maybe help each other out. I was in another industry and I had a couple companies like that that we would borrow product from back and forth. But that's it.

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Chad Rohde
Feb 24, 2018

I know the first time I lost a project to Distributor XYZ, it would probably be the last time I purchased from them.

I think most would agree with you. Although if you change to a different distributor that doesn't serve your company as well as XYZ, then it would be a bad decision. Especially if you would have lost that project regardless of you buying from them or not. Now if they unethically stole the project somehow, then that would definitely justify not doing business with them or be associated with them at any level.

Why should I help support the same company that is out there trying to get the same clients?

This could be said by the distributor as well. I think this will always be a problem in this scenario. Lucky for us we only install in a small geographic area and population. And there is only 2 other local companies for competition.

 

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Chad Rohde
Feb 24, 2018

I always feel like a business needs to have 2 or 3 frenemies, competitors that they can work with, maybe help each other out.

Friendly competition is good for the companies as well as the customers.

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Armando Perez
Feb 24, 2018
Hoosier Security and Security Owners Group • IPVMU Certified

 This is exactly what my previous company was. I will tell you I made some great friends in the industry who trust me (and vice versa). I also found out after the fact that the people who never met me or wouldn't buy from me considered me highly suspect and had made judgements about my character without actually meeting me. The former was way more common though.

When I started that company I toyed with the idea of building it as a co-op to help integrators bypass the distribution markup. I ended up with a hybrid distribugator. Granted, we were extreme value add. We built websites for dealers, got them insurance, provided training, did full designs for them, provided  branded quoting software, etc, but in the end, were were dipping into their honeypot and decided we needed to pick one side of the industry. I never once competed directly with a client that i know of, but the potential was enough to scare away alot of our sprospective clients. My partner took the distribution side and I left with the integration side and turned it into my current company.

 

Now I can tell you that the skillesets required to do either of these things well is completely different. Doing both at the same time will cause issues that are not apparent until you can step outside and see clearly. Moving to integration only was extremely difficult to do well.

 

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Chad Rohde
Feb 24, 2018

I also found out after the fact that the people who never met me or wouldn't buy from me considered me highly suspect and had made judgements about my character without actually meeting me.

He has a music degree from Indiana University and enjoys playing saxophone and spending time with his wife and three kids. A perpetual builder, he loves to take things apart, figure out how they work, and sometimes he even puts them back together again.

 

I've never met you, but I'm getting nothing but good vibes. :)

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Armando Perez
Mar 06, 2018
Hoosier Security and Security Owners Group • IPVMU Certified

As narcissistic as it may be, I had to agree with that. :)

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