How About Creating A Few Logos Or Category Markers So One Can Quickly Distinguish The Subject And Motivation?

I am glad you are stating you cover political issues. In the past if someone made this statement he would be replied with links and quotes to disprove it.

How about creating a few logos or catagory markers so one can quickly distingish the subject and motivation?

People interested in politically driven content can reach it, people just looking for tech info can scan more quickly to find the content they want.

NOTICE: This comment was moved from an existing discussion: Probably Not Going To Renew My IPVM Subscription

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John Honovich

IPVM

I created a new topic on this since with it was getting behind the scope of the original discussion.

As I mentioned there, we clearly title reports so people know what they are going to be about, e.g., Hikvision Chinese Government Origin And Control, Chinese Government Attacks Western Reports, Dahua: "We're Not Owned By The Chinese Government", Hikvision Chinese Government Owner CETHIK Exposed, Hikvision and the China Communist Party, China Government Funds $100 Million South American Security / Surveillance Project, etc.

Are you saying that from looking at the titles you cannot determine what the content is?

Do you want to automatically hide anything that relates to the Chinese government or?

I am genuinely trying to understand how you want this implemented.

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Bas Poiesz

I have no problem reading about Chinese Government issues.
Although I have pleaded that things like the NSA Treasure map is equally disturbing I understand it is not covered as a CCTV issue. Really, I get that.

What is disturbing the original commenter about IPVM is the fact that politics and technique merge to often. My suggestion was logical to me but let me explain.

When I click on articles I see of forrest of subjects but searching to me is almost useless.

How about categorizing them a little in groups like

- Technical news
- Product reviews
- Test results
- Trade show reviews
- Market developments
- Manufacturer news
- Etc. etc. etc.

Also a few simple logo's could be added in the news overview:

(forgive my limited editing skills)

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John Honovich

IPVM

the fact that politics and technique merge to often.

Where? Examples?

I am genuinely trying to understand what specific posts you are referring to since, e.g., our tests (category) and our tutorials (category) effectively never talk about politics. And our politics related posts are typically titled 'Government' or 'China' or 'US", etc.

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Bas Poiesz

Well here is one: False Advertising: Hikvision USA Deep Learning. A public one.
At the end it links to your own Goverment ownership article. But this leads into the scandal based reporting discussion.

A story about a failing technique and very bad advertising, concluded by a political point.

But I am not looking for the discussion John. I was trying to illustrate how browsing articles and content on your website could be improved from my point of view.

Although I am a fan of the content, the website layout and user friendliness is very 2012 to me :).

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John Honovich

IPVM

Jonathan, the false advertising post is 12 sections long, it's 1 link / line at the end of the report.

I was trying to illustrate how browsing articles and content on your website could be improved from my point of view.

Your examples include:

The title is 'tutorial' and you need us to add a 'tutorial' tag to make it clear to you?

I am happy to consider ways to improve the UI and I offered one below about hiding content one is not interested in.

I don't think showing tags that simply repeat what's in the title will help the UI.

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Bas Poiesz

the false advertising post is 12 sections long, it's 1 link / line at the end of the report.

12, 15, 30 or 3 sections long, it's a combination of tech and politics, that was the point.

I agree the tutorial with tutorial logo is double, but you could have looked at the other examples too.

At the end of the day it was my view of the site and how it would be more user friendly.

Can we agree to disagree? This way of discussing is making me want to see less IPVM instead of more.

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Bas Poiesz

So, any reply to the single example pulled from an article just a few days ago? I was not in the mood to search for more, but your silence was predictable John

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John Honovich

IPVM

your silence was predictable John

I have a lot of things to work on. You continue to act like this and you go to the bottom of my list.

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Bas Poiesz

I had to vote funny on that.

You ask me an example:

Where? Examples?

I answer with the an example and the response is silence... which makes it seems it's an answer you don't like because it doesn't fit in your line of thinking/reasoning.

Instead of answering you deflect into 'I'm to busy to respond'.
Eat sleap defect repeat :)

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John Honovich

IPVM

Jonathan,

You ended your last response yesterday with "Can we agree to disagree?" which is the opposite of a request for comment.

Now, you flipped it and are attacking me for being silent.

Jonathan, I am genuinely very busy this week and I am prioritizing our reporting and calls with industry execs over debating with you. Take care.

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Bas Poiesz

No problem John. Just notice that I ended with a question, like you quoted. To me, in a normal conversation this was not a rhetoricalquestion. Especcialy since the actual point is still ignored.

Given the fact that you were replying in other topics it made it look as if you were avoiding this little thing, for reasons I explained before.

Good luck this week!

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Undisclosed #1

"Do you want to automatically hide anything that relates to the Chinese government or?"

Yes,Yes,Yes pleaseeeeee

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John Honovich

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Yes,Yes,Yes pleaseeeeee

I gave that a funny!

Look at it more broadly. We can build a feature to automatically hide certain content.

For example, we have a feature for custom news alerts, e.g., screencap below:

We could conceivably build a feature that automatically hides content with certain words in the title or tags from being shown in main news and the articles list etc. when a member is signed in. Each user could then create their own list.

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Tyler Graham

I have often found the discussions are to be a bit messy. It reminds me of a Facebook group where everything is displayed at once and new items are brought to the top. It makes it quite difficult to filter through what you want to read about. Contrast that with a traditional forum style where you may have different groups and categories I can frequent the categories I'm more interested in reading about.

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John Honovich

IPVM

In reply to Tyler Graham

Tyler, agreed. We've done that explicitly and I'll explain the pros and cons of it. As you mention, the cons of it are that everything is in one place and the things that you are not interested in are in the way. The pro is that things are not divided into 10 different sub-groups / forums so it's faster to scan through all than click to various sub-groups. This is better for people who have wider interests (and would otherwise be forced to go to each sub-group individually) but worse for people who have more narrow interests (and just want to see 1 or 2 topics).

As I mention above, we could let people define what topics they don't want to hear / see and hide them as one mechanism to handle that.

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Tyler Graham

I get it - much like a Gmail inbox where they would rather you just search then spend your time organizing. I was just thinking about these tags but I noticed there is a filter that appears to have the tags in it. This seems to do what I would want to do, and that is narrow down the topics by what I would be interested in reading. I think I was just expecting to see it in a list on the side bar. Now that I know that is there, it works for me. It doesn't seem like it would be too difficult to present the same tags/numbers when hovering over the Discussions tab as the Articles tab, no?

Next question would be how discussions are tagged? Is it automatic (keyword) or manual?

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Jay Hobdy

IPVMU Certified

Thanks for the explanation. I was wondering why you didn't break the forum down into different categories.

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Sean Nelson

Nelly's Security

While we are on the subject. The way the response system is organized is somewhat difficult to me. It is sometimes difficult to find a new responses on a thread that is over 50 posts long. For example, I will see that a new response is posted, and I will go down to the very end of the thread and see that the last post was indeed not the latest response. I then have to do the cumbersome task of scrolling upwards to see the latest response.

Yes I know I can click on the link for the latest response from the main discussion page, but oddly that doesnt work sometimes, I dont know why, I will try to record it next time it happens. But even when it does work, what if someone else responded right before that person, perhaps I may have overlooked that response. Hope that makes sense.

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Josh Hendricks

Milestone Systems

In reply to Sean Nelson

On longer threads I often push the "Show Newest First" button to see the latest posts. But those often are replies to other posts, and if I want to see the context of that reply, I have to switch back to threaded view and do a search on the page for a keyword present in the latest comment, then check the parent comment to see what they were replying to.

In forums where it's common for comments not to be viewed threaded, a reply to a comment usually links to the original comment so readers can jump to the relevant comment if interested. This would save me some time.

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Josh Hendricks

Milestone Systems

I think I get where Jonathan is coming from here. I typically read most discussions, but I'm particularly interested in technical information and "help me" questions.

On Reddit you can add one or tags called "flairs" to a post which makes it very clear to the casual reader that this is a "serious" post or the poster is asking for help.

Having a fixed tagging system here with a relatively small selection of optional tags would make it easy for members to filter down to the types of discussions and articles we're interested in at the moment. A potential bonus for IPVM is the statistics you can compile based on those tags. You can observe which types of posts the community engages with the most, and if there's an imbalance of content you can quickly spot that and determine whether there is something you can/should do to encourage engagement in different topics.

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Campbell Chang

In reply to Josh Hendricks

IMO, it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to move the entire discussion forum to a closed sub.

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John Honovich