HiDef Tech Is An OEM From a California Integrator

I recently received a response from an integrator that included cameras manufactured by HiDef Technology. I had never heard of this company and found no 'hits' on IPVM with respect to the company or its products.

Has anyone had any experience with them?

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I can tell you that based on pictures and the text of those specs, these are a Dahua OEM. I believe that specific model is one of Dahua's higher end true WDR models. We haven't tested it, but we have tests of other Dahua models (including the HF3101, a true WDR box camera).

So Ethan's commented on the tech side, I will give the business side.

It looks like a small shop owned by a small integrator. Whois.net reports the 'HiDefTech' website is owned by a "David Sindaha" (here is his LinkedIn...

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What a surprise. The integrator is indeed VAS Security. I guess that's one way to keep your camera costs down.

Lol, you just made my day :)

Can you do me a favor? Don't tell VAS you know, just ask them to tell you more about HiDef Tech? :) I am seriously curious if they tell the truth or if they try to claim HiDef Tech is a real manufacturer.

Sherman, while you have VAS on the line, make sure and have a co-worker ring up HiDef Tech. Wait to be put on hold...

Be creative. ;)

Say what you will about David SinDahua, the man is a genius at part-number schemes.

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Without blinking an eye, I would say it reads:

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I'm pretty up to speed on the IP camera market. I was surprised to hear of this new manufacturer and asked the rep some of those very questions. As I recall, things got a little hazy when I pressed about where the cameras were manufactured. Definitely did NOT claim the cameras were Dahua.

That said, the integrator is making some inroads into the SF Bay Area public sector market....

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It would have been a bit more transparent to sell them as VAS Cams or similar ;)

Perhaps too transparent? VAS cam = VA Scam

This is a Dahua OEM for sure, as already stated. The practice is somewhat common. Private labeling your cameras is a reasonable thing to do. If you have a savvy client, and they ask who really makes it, you can be proud to say Dahua. If they aren't savvy, they might think you are inventive finding a value brand that they haven't seen before. It's a win/win to me.

It's a win/win to me.

BTW, this statement, sounds wicked illegal.

All of our dealers sign an agreement to never sale HiDef Tech products for less than the MSRP. This means we will not be under sold!! As a dealer this is a HUGE advantage over competition and keeps your customers satisfied!!

IMHO.

Keep your customers satisfied...

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"All of our dealers sign an agreement"

Not if 'all of your dealers' are one integrator.

Question: How does the CEO of HiDef Tech talk to the CEO of VAS Security?

Answer: He talks to himself.

It also sounds wicked impossible.

While it would be a utopia to always be able to charge MSRP for things, we all know that is never practical or possible. There is ALWAYS a cheaper bid or a customer who insists on a discount. No manufacturer is going to get to scale expecting dealers to sign a binder that they will NEVER charge less than MSRP.

Sure, if this was a real manufacturers with multiple dealers...

Though I doubt he would turn away someone wanting to be the second one.

If a integrator member would be willing indulge the HiDef fantasy by requesting the necessary sign-up forms that might be interesting...

Setting Minimum sales price is a state by state issue after Leegin. In most cases if you have an open channel or even a tiered channel then you can not specify the transaction price, only the price you can advertise at. This is also questionable legally as it can very wildly on what is part of a sales transaction and what is just marketing. Most MAP program wont hold up and are not...

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Btw, in case they try to hide the website connection between the two, here is a screencap of HiDef Tech's domain ownership as of today:

It's a common practice to use original equipment manufacturers and gaining an advantage is just normal business.

The fact that they don't want to tell you where the cameras are made is part of the value that they bring by not disclosing all of their sources.

Nothing more work here than that.

"The fact that they don't want to tell you where the cameras are made is part of the value that they bring by not disclosing all of their sources."

Wow, that's one of the most cynical explanations I've ever head!

I agree with you that it is a common practice. I do not believe it is very ethical or conducive to...

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I just am having trouble finding ANYTHING wrong with this scenario. I'm sure he is far from the only integrator that private labels Dahua under a different name than their integration firm. Where does the outrage come from?

Where is your lack of outrage come from?

All this is a trick. You take something, wrap it up and claim it is something else. Straight deception.

John,

How would you sell it ?

You imported,wrap put your company name on product

Customer asking you who is Manufacturer

You answer ?

Thank you

I would not 'wrap put your company name on product'.

I would represent it as it is in the first place so the customer would know up front and without question it is Dahua, Hikvision, Longse, whatever.

But majority companies do this all the time

Are all of them wrong ?

The majority of companies do not do this all the time.

But, yes, regardless of whether 1 or all do it, I still believe it is deceptive and should not be done.

Q-See

Swann

Flir

ICRealtime

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They all private label Dahua products. How is this different?

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Agree, with you Jon about the labeling.

But do you condone the creation of multiple companies, which are apparently seperate concerns, but really exist so that one can vouch for the other?

For instance, if you try to sell me a Dillabaugh Dome, and say they're great, I can take it with a grain of salt.

On the other when you say you like "Sony, Panasonic, Hidef Tech and...

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Here's a real world example. Sean Nelson has a company called Nelly's Surplus and he has his own private brand of cameras called Eyesurv. To my knowledge you can only buy Eyesurv through Nelly's, so does that equate Sean to VAS/Hitech?

Good one Jon !

How about ask Bosch who makes their camera

...you can only buy Eyesurv through Nelly's, so does that equate Sean to VAS/Hitech?

No, not in my book. Nelly is not trying to act like Eyesurv is an independent camera vendor.

Nelly's is proud of their private label:

The EYEsurv brand is Nelly's Surplus' private label surveillance product brand. You will begin to see more...

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You ought to ask for the first six digits of the camera's MAC address (aka the OUI*) so you can "confirm compatibility with your VMS" or for some other reason.

If it's C:11:BF or 90:02:A9, otherwise known as ZHEJIANG DAHUA TECHNOLOGY CO.,LTD, then Hi-Def Tech is not trying too hard to hide the true maker. As of today, a WireShark OUI Lookup for "HiDef Technology" or variations of...

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I think there are right ways of doing this and wrong ways, but the gist is this: hiding your OEM is pointless. It just means someone has to take longer to figure it out, and the will figure it out.

Be up front about it when asked. "We private label ______ cameras because we think they offer the best price/performance ratio. We've hand picked select models from their line as...

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I believe that HiDef Tech is acting unethically, but not for the rebranding obfuscation.

I agree with Jon D. that being unforthcoming about the true source of product is widely seen and accepted. I don't see anything telling me I when buying a rebrand on Q-See's or Aventura's or FLIR's site for instance.

Moreover, needing to reveal ones true source, but only if asked...

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My response to this debate: Mega-OEMs vs Micro-Relabelers