"Gamechanger" Cat6 Cable Claims PoE At Over 850': Would You Use This?

I saw this in the ISC West listing and it was the only item that really seemed unique. The lack of wire guage and detailed specs is a concern. 

I plan to stop by their booth, speak to them, and see if I can get a sample.  Since they are not a big brand such as Belden, West Penn, Commscope, Mohawk and so on I am a bit concerned and would not ever use without thorough testing in house.

I am assuming it maxes out at 1080P for IP Cameras?

Why does it say 1080p? Are they trying to market to a keyword or something? IP video is packets, not frames. If can support 1080p at some bitrate, it should be able to support 4K at the same bitrate (albeit at a likely lower framerate/more compressed).

With the multitude of various 1080p cameras that range from MJPEG encoding to smart H.265, and bitrates all over the place for "normal" video, what does "1080p" support even mean?

The 1080p spec makes me think it would only support extremely limited throughput. Not something I would want to deploy in any new job, where 1080p video is basically entry level, and the customer may want 3/4/5MP, 4K, etc. in the future. Makes me think this cable is outdated before its even terminated.

I wouldn't be interested even though it might work and be a gamechanger and all that. As an IT department employee, we wouldn't use this as it doesn't meet our specifications. We are a conservative bunch and very careful in the equipment we deploy. If a cable run is more than 333", we add a new switch and make a new IDF. That approach costs us more, but we like to go with what is proven and will likely keep working for years.

Its 10Mbps:

This seems gimmicky to me, I would not waste the time to test and validate it given the limited use case.  Also what happens in a few years when the cable starts to degrade?  No thanks!

Maybe.  In my view it is risky to use network infrastructure that is not standards-based.  Is there a TIA standard that applies to this cable?

My guess is that any premium Cat6 cable would meet these distance at 10 Mbps...

If someone sent me this as a submittal I would reject it without hesitation. 

This is a cool concept but more of a marketing trick than a real product. Until they can get the speed up and better/more detailed specs they cannot have any major success with the systems integrators. Some smaller and less technology savvy dealers might bite but probably will stop using them soon after due to the inconsistent performance of the cable. 

On a related note, has anybody looked into longer distance runs with CAT7? 

I question if this product even works, almost sounds like a scam to get attention.

Marketing smoke & mirrors at work here.  Remember, Paige is not a manufacture, they're a distributor.  This is nothing more that a beefy Cat6 or maybe 6A that anyone could accomplish the exact same results.

As stated earlier, 1080p doesn't mean much.  And at 10Mbps, you're really not getting much for taking this risk to install a non-standard product.

I wouldn't buy it.

I have a feeling that this would fail almost any certification on our Fluke DSX-8000 (when used at an out-of-spec length).  Furthermore, I can personally relate to the fact that different switches behave differently when you start throwing something that's not within IEEE specs at them.  The actual device (camera) could have issues too.  I've seen it too many times (and it can be something as simple as one pair of wires being 1/2 inch longer than all the rest, on a run that's within the IEEE length specs).

I've had to work with a lot of cheap ethernet cable.  It can be quite inconsistent.  The main cost is the labor of installing that cable.  I always order/install good quality cable.  In reality, it really doesn't cost that much more.  And again, an out-of-spec installation (long cable length) could cause issues.....maybe not even immediately, but in the future.

it would be interesting to test the 500m segments of this cable and some other brand like belden, panduit with Fluke DTX and compare.

I believe, using 10 mbps port settings (maybe even half-duplex?) you can achive the same or similar results with any other cat6 category cable.

I did some research with hikvision bandwith consumption. 10 mbps is enough for up to 8MP with medium quantization using H.264 or better codecs. I got traffic statistics using SNMP from the switch port, tested these cameras: DS-2CD2035FWD-I (3MP), DS-2CD2055FWD-I (6MP), DS-2DF8836I5V-AELW (8MP).

The only case where 10 mbps is not enough is when you choose the highest quality. But in that situation you have dropped frames on any uplink, just because hik limits the camera bandwidth to 16 mbps and that's not enough.

"Nonstandard" is NONstandard. If it does not meet the established standard in all respects, you cannot rely on it to be 100% compatible with current or future equipment that is designed to comply to the spec.

Might work just dandy in some applications, and then fail utterly when a camera or switch upgrade takes place months/years later and the installer is left re-pulling cable, or adding range extenders, out of their own pocket.

No no no.  Not nonstandard cable.  Guaranteed to cause bizarre headaches during the life of the deployment.  Also, whomever pitches this is showing a total disregard for standards, which is bad from a style perspective.  We're now mostly recovered from the Cisco vs. Microsemi vs. everybody else POE nightmare.  We're not completely recovered from the POE+ (or is it POE++) interoperability nightmare.  No need for a new adventure.

I wouldn't use this cable simply because of the overused annoying buzzword of a name.

Funny enough, despite the many comments vehemently opposed, poll results are close to evenly split (47% yes/53% no). They've actually gotten closer this morning as more negative comments have come in.

I have to say that on several occasions we have installed PoE cameras using WindyCityWire Cat5e at distances, 700-800-ft, which clearly exceed the 802.3x standard.  A couple of these were out of necessity(short-term, last minute temporary install for eventas) but we have at least four(4) locations that have been in-place and operational for years at this point.  I can't say what the Mbps rate is but the quality and streaming rate is comparable to other cameras on-site at shorter distances.  All of these were done using Mobotix cameras, so it could be that the low power requirements of the cameras(4-6 watts) were a factor in the successful operation.  The out-of-standard use of the long distance cable is not something that we would ever plan into a project intentionally but in a number of instances it has worked for us.

 http://www.paigedatacom.com/files/GameChanger%20White%20Paper.pdf

They readily gave us a free box to test. We ran a Sony POE PTZ for a week on patrol and no dropped pings at over 800ft. The recordings look good but we did have to statically set the port 10mbs. Next we'll test a gigabit connection at 200 meters.

They just sent this UL testing certification.

http://www.paigedatacom.com/products/intelligent-building/video-sound-security/gamechanger#faq

For those asking about cable specs, they have them here...

http://www.paigedatacom.com/files/GameChagnger%20All%20Specs.pdf

I think this has value for those edge devices, like one camera or door controller, that go beyond 100m and you're struggling with the idea of either fiber, daisy-chaining a switch or using some sort of inline repeater.

Maybe people have done this with other cables, but Paige seemed willing to backup their claims and at least commit to saying it would work where a regular cable manufacturer just tells you not to go out of spec.

Maybe IPVM should do a test.

This is now coming up in my area and one of Paige's QC guys wants this used on his storage unit project.  We informed the owner that if he wants to provide we can attempt this (longest run is 620' end-to-end) but if problems occur we can not troubleshoot and would encourage Nodes be installed at each unit.  This would be a Hanwha Project and most likely would use Ubiquiti Edge Switches.  My Vendor laughed and choked on his coffee when I informed him of the inquiry direct from owner.