For Religious Reasons, Would You Refuse To Do An Install?

I turned down a job at a sleezy strip club that was constantly in the paper for drugs and prositution. I didn't want to be associated with it in anyway.

Are people reading the question wrong or trolling? 75% say yes?

Im actually pretty religious, however I'm also a libertarian and believe people should have freedom to live however they choose. I'm not going to deny someone our security services because of religious reasons. I think if anything that would be going against my religious views. At the same time, I have no problem allowing other security companies the right to choose who they sell too. It's as much their right to discriminate as it is their right to worship the God of their choosing. As long as that discrimination doesn't lead to violence.

I did a strip club and didn't feel bad about it. I was more amazed with the technology in the P3384 than i was with the fact that its a breeding ground for sin.

The worse project I was involved with was an abortion clinic... I didn't know it was that until I showed up with a technician to troubleshoot a problem, but that was really the worse place I had ever had to go for security. I don't think I would ever do one of those places again.

People can be moral without being religious.

So if I would refuse to do the strip club for moral reasons, but not religious ones, what should I answer?

I have found in the past that if I dont take a stand and follow my conscious that it always came back to byte me. I would close my business and move on rather that let the politicians take my freedom and give it away to those who dont care about freedom.

Yes I would raise my price so they dont want me to do the job.

Yes I would create a proposal that no one would want me to work for them .

Yes I there are easy way s to make sure I would not violate any laws , and still not do the work.

Always Free no matter who is in charge or what temp gov. official is setting the laws.

Oh, my mistake… I thought I had logged on to a technology forum, not the National Enquirer!

John, perhaps there is not enough technology to talk about, so we have to devolve into to the tabloids?

Dont Ask, If you dont want to hear the answer, and Freewill is what makes each of us to make our own decisions. Good or Bad an individual thing.

Moral is a decision you or anyone person has to make , not up to me or no other person to make.

I have my own restrictions in life which i have learned protect me from the things which destroy my life and family and the way of life my forefathers died to protect.

Hot Topic , but as your freedoms are being taken away , really need to be addressed.

Does anyone else see the absurd irony involved in both sides of this thing? Both sides are crying for freedom!

Right says "I need freedom to practice my religion. I shouldn't have to make cakes for the gays!"

Left says "I need freedom from religion. I want my rainbow cake!"

I just think it's comical how much perspective comes into play when invoking the word freedom. It could go both ways. (Pun intended)

Strip club really? Is that so hard! We service the fire protection in a gay bathhouse and they won't stop having sex while our techs are servicing the fire extinguishers and emergency lighting... that's where I draw the line. But with regard to the issue: Is this about freedom of religion or hypocrisy. Christ would be embarrassed of these pharasies. Matt 25:31-46

Freedom is your right to say no or say yes, or to move on.

How does your saying no to installs compromise the other person.

Not at all, Same with the example of shoes,shirt,cleanlyness.This should be my choice.Not any more. and to boot if you attach the lbg agenda to it Your rights went out the door.

If you have worked in this industry for any time, Im sure you have seen it all. From the gutters in the streets to lives destroyed by actions they mistakenly did or roads taken.

Bars, Stripclubs, Niteclubs , LGB s May work for you and your company standards, values: But not for mine.

I can actually show in the financials where this has provan successfull in my company.

I dont cater to the populas or status quo. I dont compromise NMWTC: This My Choice.

Christ would have you change, turn from, Love those in need,desparation, unlovely, and down and out . Help to change lives.

But he is not just stupid and does not support what would destroy your life in actions that would lead you further from him.

Please dont associate this as the appinion, views, expectation of this site. I take full responsibiliy for My views.

IPVM is a Great Site with Just Professionals who have thier own appionions.

There is a difference between doing an installation or service for a bathhouse (gay or otherwise) while its being actively used by patrons versus that same install or service during off hours. It shouldn't matter what the facility is used for as long as the technician doesn't have to see nudity or sexual activity (unless of course, like some you mentioned - he/she WANTS to). Its the same as saying you won't do a security install or service at a Mormon temple because your Catholic or Jewish or some other faith - who cares? You have a product/service, they have a need & money to pay for - do the project and put your politics, bigotry & religion aside. Has anyone else noticed that pretty much EVERYWHERE there is strife in the world - "religion" seems to be the root cause???

If there are not jobs that you would refuse due to religious or moral convictions, then I would have to question the strength of your convictions. How about the NAMBLA (North America Man-Boy Love Association), a pro-pedophilia organization?

What ever happened to a business' right? Remember the signs that were posted at every door that said "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone"? I miss those days. I am not religious at all. Maybe I am a border-line Atheist with the truth being told. You asked, here is my $.02

Any government or municipality needs to remove themselves from this media firestorm. Someone in here already said it. If you don't want to asociate yourselves with a business, don't do business there. It's really quite simple. I personnaly refuse to do business with any one that has the sign at their front door that says "NO CONCEAL AND CARRY WEAPONS" This is MY choice.

As for basing the fact that you want to take or refuse a job based on religious reasons, well, thats your right to refuse or accept IMO. If it is what you think is morally right, good for you. I personnaly wouldn't want anything to do with a "gay bathhouse" or a drug dealing strip club owner/pimp. These are my personal choices. I really don't want anyone taking those choices away from me.

If I was a baker and a LGB couple asked me to bake a cake, I think I would probably do it. If you think that is wrong well thats your choice. Money is money to me. If I was asked to work in a distusting environment like the gay bath house, I would refuse.

Call it cowardly if you want but I do post without disclosing my name because I am not 100% sure what the owner of our company's take is on this and I do like my job. Politics and Religion can ruin a career.

I won't say no to any job. But when we have issues of any type - we just don't like the owner, the job isn't safe for our techs, the job is not our style.... We just price it so we are not in the running. Thus far, this approach has worked out for us. In some cases, we simply choose to be a "no bid" because our work load will push the project out a few months.

Well Where does it end, When Does the Govt Stop.

If you cannot even choose what you do, who you do it for, and when you dont want to .

Then What!

Your Freedom to Express Your appinion, (not like , not work for , not do for ), even choose where you go : is GONE!

One Law at a time. Then to take what you have worked hard for because you said no.

Well Folks : isnt that communism or facism or even socialism.

If you cannot choose without fear of govt. intervention and thats what it is.

As for me when the situation like the cake making company happens well then its time to shut down and go on welfare, Bleed the Beast , Channel all assets into foreign accounts so you own nothing.

You dont have anything to take, set up protected foreign asset accounts where they cannot be sued out from under your control.

Its time to speak out . Keep what you do in the closet , not in my face where i have to see it.

Its a matter of time before you dont even have an appinion due to the status quo( minority s)

No Decisions unless it aggrees with all the govt agencys

As for me I will choose , close down , go some where else where we are free.

What happened america . This Wont Solve the Problem , it will just make us more devisave to figure out how and ways out .

If you have not figured it out Im angry that you cannot even run your own business anymore.

But You can pay high taxes 20 times over with each transaction, each time you purchase, sell, buy, trade, even to die at the burial expenses.

It looks like we have exhausted most angles on this. Unless you have a new anecdote or experience to share on their security side, let's wrap this up. Thanks.

I'm reasonably religious, and I've installed systems in houses of worship for religions other than my own. And it felt weird every time. But I acted professional, and I did the best job I could, because everyone deserves safety and security.

New case:

A graphic designer named Lorie Smith, who works just a few miles from Mr. Phillips’s bakery, Masterpiece Cakeshop, has challenged the same Colorado law on the same grounds....

Ms. Smith, in an interview in her modest but cheerful studio in an office building in a suburb of Denver, sat near a plaque that echoed a Bible verse: “I am God’s masterpiece.” She said she was happy to create graphics and websites for anyone, including L.G.B.T.Q. people. But her Christian faith, she said, did not allow her to create messages celebrating same-sex marriages....

Phil Weiser, Colorado’s attorney general, countered that there is no constitutional right to discriminate. “Once you open up your doors to the public, you have to serve everybody,” he said. “You can’t turn people away based on who they are.”

100% Yes.

I had the fight of my life versus my employer and their attorneys, one of the top firms in the world, over my religious beliefs and their vaccine mandates.

I could write a book one this. In fact, I was preparing host online webinars for people until the Supreme Court struck down the Biden Administration unconstitutional mandates.

Every United States Citizen has the legal right to put their employer on notice of personal religious exemptions and to request reasonable accommodation based on sincerely and firmly held religious, moral, or ethical beliefs, and ultimate ideas about life, purpose, and death.

In the examples above, a salesperson or technician could request a religious exemption not to be dispatched to a strip club, gay bathhouse, abortion clinic, a particular church, or almost any reason that is against your religious, moral, or ethical beliefs, and ultimate ideas about life, purpose, and death.

Your protections include: Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, The Code of Federal Regulations 29 CFR 1605.2, The Constitution of United States of America 1789 (rev. 1992), The First Amendment, The Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment, The Fourth Amendment, The Fourteenth Amendment, The Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, guidance by the United States Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, and local state protections (state specific).

Employer violations come with stiff penalties.

Keep in mind, one person might engage in the same practice for religious reasons and another for purely secular reasons (e.g., dietary restrictions, tattoos, Etc.). Religious beliefs include theistic beliefs (i.e., those that include a belief in God) and non-theistic moral or ethical beliefs about right and wrong, sincerely held with the strength of traditional religious views. In other words, your belief does have to be religious to request an exemption. For example, if you follow a certain diet "religiously", that is also protected belief.