Undisclosed - There are a lot of cameras out there that might fit the bill, it would help if you could tell us a little more about the application, such as what are you trying to view and what level of detail is needed?
Here is an IPVM Parking Lot Shootout article from 2011 (although it has some older model cameras) that shows some different scenarios and how different cameras performed to give you some ideas.
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Undisclosed: I have deployed several of the surround video series Panoramic cameras in parking lots in the New York/ New Jersey area. More info on said cameras here: Arecont Panoramic cameras
Axis and Bosch offerings you mention are certainly solid offerings but I think its worth considering the AV8185DN/ AV20185DN in addition to those cameras.
John Grocke - thanks for the link to that parking lot shootout, I hadn't seen that one before
None of the cams were great at 200' and none picked up a license plate with the tailights on, but the other tests were very definitive in terms of performance / expectations in low light evironment
Arecont AV1355DN and AV2155DN's (1.3MP/2MP) are actually not that bad, but need a lot of picture tweaking out of the box.
Sony DH160's and DH260's (1.3MP/3MP) work pretty well as an premium option.
Have installed both in a fair number of lots.
Undisclosed, how wide is your area? You say, 'Distance of camera to area 60'' but is it 100' wide, 300'? That's a big factor in camera selection.
I don't think you need a 'super' low light camera for this but really high resolution cameras like an Arecont 20MP are almost certainly going to produce dark / 'shadowy' images in such scenes.
I don't know about light levels but from experiance the AV20185DN's are problemtic; buggy firmware. The AV8185DN are more stable. Haven't played with the 12MP panoramics yet.
I have used the Axis Q1602 camera and found it did extremly well compared to the Sarix Surevison camera. I have not tested the Bosch NBN-733v so I am unable to comment on that one. Trick is to set customer expectations correctly. The Axis being color gave some added benefit of car color which was nice.
I have used the Arecont 360 and 180 8Mp cameras and the customer was happy with the results during the day but nighttime was not very good or useful. The system is suplimented with IR cameras and a LPR system so it wasnt as much of a concern in this instance.
We also have had horrible custoemr support from Arecont in regards to this project, we received lenses that were defective ( blurry at the edges) and the next set of lenses didnt have an IR filter so all the color was off. Third set worked. Just took a 40' lift on 3 seperate occasions.
From the angle the camera must be mounted - looking at approx 150' of parking lot
Given the angle - it is anticiaped only 30 - 40' of FOV will be able to get good face shots for ID purposes
The FOV will capture customer entry as well as cars / people / activity in the lot
To me it seems that the issues in the parking lot that require cameras to observe are still unclear and therefore difficult to choose the correct hardware at this time.
As John says the AV 8 or 12MP would likely be my choice too but these cameras will only give situational awareness in low light conditions.
Are the subjects entering a business where facial recognition can be made upon entry?
Are the subjects spinning doughnuts in their vehicles or smoking dope in the corner of the lot? Perhaps a couple of 1000 Watts of additional lighting along with some dummy cameras is the answer rather than rather than 'live' cameras.
Whatever way you look at this project additional lighting will only help the situation and I'm not referring to IR's for this case. As already by another contributor, setting customer expectations should not be understated.
It makes sense when investing $4K on cameras to invest $1K on lighting. ($4K for 66% of 24h OR $5K for 100% of 24h - slam dunk!!)
Are parking lot cameras really necessary at all? I mean, everyone ( at least with a vehicle ) has insurance in the parking lot. Your customer is the only one with insurance inside the business. Installing cameras in the parking lot may increase his liability and therefore his insurance premium??
FLIR Security | 08/29/13 07:18pm
DISCLAIMER: The following does not represent legal advice. As I've been advised on other strings, I am not a lawyer.
I find this legal debate (with links) over whether a parking lot is a public vs private 'place' fascinating. Fascinating in that it doesn't really matter.
Parking lots are public 'places' (i.e. no expectation of privacy) which can be owned by either public (city) entities or private (retail store) entities.
Whether or not the 'place' is publicly or privately owned is the key differentiator.
As John already pointed out, ownership places a burden on the private owner to protect their patrons. As Brian has already pointed out, this is because people will sue them if they don't at least attempt to appear as if they are trying to protect these patrons.
A mall is also a public place. But the public doesn't pay for their cameras either...
I think we'll have to agree to disagree! That said, I will install cameras on any parking lot I am asked to, without question.
In reality parking lot cameras are used for liability defense probably 95% of the time. This gives a property owner the best return on investment. I base this on years in the industry dealing with a variety of clients. IF someone claims to fall in a parking lot, the owner has little recourse. If the owner has a camera system and can show the person cutting thru the grass, hoping a fence, tripping on curbs that are not lowered for pedestrian traffic... I have witnessed them all. based on this you dont need that high of a resolution camera to catch a person falling where they are not supposed to. You do typically want to run on continous recording instead of motion, but that another debate.
Just my 2 cents from experience
You are not going to facially receognize a purse theif in a parking lot. Best case is the guy walked in the store thru a choke point and was facially recognized there.
White Teens Run Over Black Man In Surveillance Video - ABC News
Video: Teens Run Over James Anderson
The surveillance video shows Anderson, 49, in the parking lot of the Metro Inn in Jackson. A group of white teens who had driven in from adjacent Rankin County in a white SUV and green pickup truck, descend on Anderson, beating him, walking back and forth between him and their cars. One can be seen pumping his fist in the air.
The teens in the white SUV drive off, leaving Anderson on the ground. That's when Dedmon, a thin blonde driving the green pickup truck, allegedly accelerates toward Anderson.
Anderson, who appears to be stumbling toward the street on the curb, disappears underneath Dedmon's car. Dedmon and his two teenage female passengers –- who were not charged -- then allegedly drove to a McDonalds to meet up with their friends.
"I ran that n****r over," Dedmon reportedly said in a phone conversation to the teens in the other car.
Metro Inn general manager Val Patel told ABC News affiliate WAPT Dedmon, "rolled the window down and laughed and danced" and took off toward the interstate.
Anderson was pronounced dead at a hospital.
"We're all shocked by the allegations. It's uncomfortable, I'm sure, for all of us to know this can happen to a random citizen," Hinds County District Attorney Robert Schuler Smith said. "There were racial slurs used throughout the turn of events which led to the conclusion that it was most likely a hate crime."
BUT PARKING LOT CAMERAS ARE A WASTE