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Door Lock Options For This Layout

UI
Undisclosed Integrator #1
Aug 09, 2017

 We are looking at branching out a little and offering access control. Since we just moved into a new space we figured we could start with a few doors at our building. 

 

Door

As you can see in our picture the lock spacing has been changed due to an attempted breach. We would like to set this door up so that we retain two locks but would like access control based on RFID. We only really need simple logging of access times. 

 

For our interior door we have been looking at the Schlage NDE. Any other suggestions?

JH
John Honovich
Aug 09, 2017
IPVM

#1 the picture did not post. If you need help, email the picture to us at info@ipvm.com and we'll add.

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Brian Rhodes
Aug 09, 2017
IPVMU Certified

For this door, that deadbolt and lever are not code compliant if this is an egress door in a group occupancy, even before you touch it.

However, if the door hardware is okay here, then this is one idea:

Use a door controller connected to 2 mortise strikes (one to 'lock' contacts, one to the 'output' contacts).

I'd strongly consider letting the top strike be unlocked during occupied hours in any case, and only locked at night/when the area behind this door is unoccupied.

Then, as far as the pry damage, just tap that out then install a 'latchguard', or maybe two, that cover both bolt locations.  Guards like this one:

The Schlage NDE may be fine on the inside, but what system were you planning to use on this door?  Is that part of what you're looking for?

UI
Undisclosed Integrator #2
Aug 09, 2017

Brian nailed it!

One would think that with a latch guard you wouldn't need a deadbolt...

UI
Undisclosed Integrator #4
Aug 10, 2017

A lever even with a latch protector is probably the lowest security.  A latch doesn't protrude far into the frame and that is why you will see pry marks on a lot of doors like this...because it works.  The frames and doors typically flex especially if the door wasn't installed properly and cemented in.  A deadbolt goes into the frame a lot further to prevent this but deadbolts don't belong on doors like this anyways as noted below.  

SD
Shannon Davis
Aug 09, 2017
IPVMU Certified

Most likely this is a mortar filled or "Slugged" frame to if you haven't cutout strike pockets before I would recommend that. You can buy an electrified lever set to replace the current lever set and put in a door cord on the upper corner of the door on the hinge side and run the strike wire across the channel and down to the lever set opening. In a metal door you can run wire up and down but your not suppose to run across. I wouldn't worry about electrifying the dead bolt rather you can install a blank cover plate to remove it or take out the plunger. Definitely install the anti-pick plate as well considering it looks like someone tried to pry this door open before. Depending on your local AHJ the lever set you have is compliant for an egress path. 

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UI
Undisclosed Integrator #1
Aug 09, 2017

Any recommendations on systems to look into? 

UE
Undisclosed End User #3
Aug 09, 2017

Rim Panic Device is the way to go, free egress and secure latching and SOLID.  If you need more holding force then use Rim Panic Device w/Vertical Rods.

Be sure you know what you are getting into before you get into the PACS space, Locking Hardware is a SPECIALTY and you better know what you are doing.  I have seen way too many Integrators just install strikes or some other locking hardware that is not correct and it only cost more in the long run.  Don't forget ADA/Egress issues, best left up to the professionals.

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UI
Undisclosed Integrator #2
Aug 09, 2017

I already "agreed" but with RIM panic hardware you mitigate all of the issues that are trying to be dealt with in the image above. If there is a dummy trim on the outside the door is unpick-able. Vertical rods make the door as secure as it could possibly be, we have found them to only be necessary on extra height doors though.

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UI
Undisclosed Integrator #4
Aug 10, 2017

Beyond securing the door to comply to code you HAVE to put a panic bar on that door and eliminate the deadbolt completely.  It's not even really an option to try to do it any other way.  Also as stated above it is more secure than a lever alone and even more so if you remove the cylinder and just have a pull on the door.  Vertical rods would be a headache on an exterior door like this.  The bottom pocket would get filled with debris and that is why you typically see top rods only installed.

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