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Does Uniview Fall Into Same Category Of Banned Products Like Dahua Or Hikvision?

UI
Undisclosed Integrator #1
Apr 09, 2019

I find it interesting that Uniview appears to be a Hikvision OEM... I could be very wrong as I have not really researched it.  But if it is, is it banned?  Just curious, thanks in advance.

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JH
John Honovich
Apr 09, 2019
IPVM

No, Uniview, aka UNV, is not a Hikvision OEM and is a fairly large Chinese manufacturer based in the same city as Dahua and Hikvision.

They are also not part of the US govenment ban.

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U
Undisclosed #2
Apr 10, 2019
IPVMU Certified

They are also not part of the US govenment ban.

however they may be at risk of be banned if they are relying on Chinese government owned/controlled processing chips (SOESOC). 

Bloomberg Warns Of Huawei Hisilicon IP Camera Usage

Uniview has used HiSilicon

 

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UI
Undisclosed Integrator #1
Apr 10, 2019

I guess I find it hard to believe it isn't Hikvision... I mean they are very similar with the Ezviz and all.

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MD
Matthew Del Salto
Apr 10, 2019
Hudson Security

Ezview is the UNV software. 

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UI
Undisclosed Integrator #3
Apr 11, 2019

In my opinion, they probably should be on the ban list.  Not just for using the Huawei SOESOC chips, but because they have the same marketing model and pricing structure that got Hikvision where it is. They even have lower pricing than Hik, and we run into them being installed by the same trunk slammers that used to use Hikvision.  They have so far flown under the radar of the US government, but the same problems may exist for them.  Anyone that blames Hik or Dahua for what has happened to the industry in the past few years should be equally blaming the other Chinese brands that are seeking to follow their example and follow in their footsteps. 

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MD
Matthew Del Salto
Apr 11, 2019
Hudson Security

Can you point me in the direction of the Uniview backdoor PoC? What about undeniable proof they are partially owned by a foreign government? I would say 'trunk slammers' who are hip to UNV are better off than using Hikvision. Which camera brand do you use in the field, axis, avigilon, maybe hanwha?

JH
John Honovich
Apr 11, 2019
IPVM
MD
Matthew Del Salto
Apr 11, 2019
Hudson Security

Thank you, John. Definitely concerning. 

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U
Undisclosed #2
Apr 11, 2019
IPVMU Certified

Not just for using the Huawei SOESOC chips, but because they have the same marketing model and pricing structure that got Hikvision where it is.

i dunno, banishment for a marketing model seems a bit draconian, yes/no?

imho, use of SOESOCs is the only threat that justifies the extreme trade action.

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JN
John Nino
Jul 21, 2019

UniView is not a OEM product of Hikvision.

BP
Bas Poiesz
Jul 21, 2019

Not yet. They just need to get more exposure. Government affiliation is optional as Dahua is banned without government ties in the open.

U
Undisclosed #4
Jul 22, 2019

They OEM to Dahua a long time ago, but no longer. They basically value their brand.

JN
John Nino
Jul 22, 2019

Another Chinese brand that isn’t really talked about is Milesight. I have yet to use their product but I am very interested with their integration with VOIP phones. 

UI
Undisclosed Integrator #5
Jul 25, 2019

Any solution that is exposed to the Internet can be exploited.  It is up to you to design the network to match the requirements of your customer's environment.  As I see it there are 3 or more categories of customers:

Facility that wants to capture footage of any incident that occurs on the property, to document theft, employee misbehavior, accidents and mishaps, or to verify attendance records.  They never even look at the recorder until they want to see something specific.

Facility that uses cameras to control who comes and goes with someone local looking at the camera views in real time.

Facility that has a WAN connection for purposes of monitoring, analysis, or archiving.

Each use case has its own security requirements, the most stringent of which is when the solution is exposed to the Internet.

 

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