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Do Cloud Systems Increase Or Reduce The Need For Integrators To Be Proficient In IT And Networking?

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Ryan King
•Jun 01, 2023
Pacific Audio and Communications

[Responding to John Honovich] I don't agree with this.

***** ******** ******* ******** *** ** aren't ******** ** ****** ******** *** port **********, ***** ** ****. *** you ***** **** ** **** ***** IT ***** ** **** ***** ******* work **** *** * ***'* *** that ********. ** ********, ***** ******** are ************ *** ******* *********** **-**** architecture.

**** *** *** ***% ***** ****-***-**** like ******* ***** *** ******* *** to **** ** ** **** ** possible *** **** **** * ****** sandbox *** ***** *****. *** ** Verkada ***% *****? **, *** **** is ****** **-****. ******** *** ********* and *********** **** ******* *** *****.

*** *** *** ** ***** **** ChatGPT?

******: **** ******* *** ***** **** an ******** **********:*** ***** ** ***** ** **** (2023)

JH
John Honovich
•Jun 01, 2023
IPVM

****, ******! * **** **** *** own ********** ***** **'* * **** topic!

**** * ** ******* ** ** that ***** ******* ****** *** **** to ** ********** ** ** *** networking. * ***'* **** **** ** eliminates ** *** **** **'* *** easier *** *******.

**'******** ** *************** *** **** ****** ** *** and **** **** *** *****. *******, the ******* ******* *** **** **** and ***** ** ***** *** ********. They *** *** **** ***** *** they **** ******* ******* *********** *** if * *** ******* **** *****, I'd ** *** **** ********* ******* low-skilled ***** ** ******* ** ******* VSaaS **** * *** ** ***. Thoughts?

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Brian Karas
•Jun 01, 2023
Pelican Zero
In reply to John Honovich

**** * ** ******* ** ** that ***** ******* ****** *** **** to ** ********** ** ** *** networking. * ***'* **** **** ** eliminates ** *** **** **'* *** easier *** *******.

*** *** ************** *******, *** *********.

**** ********** **** ** *******, *** average ***** ****** *** ** **** plug-and-play *** ****** *** **** *** traditional ** ******.

*******, **** ****** ***'* ** ** planned - ******* *** **** ********* congestion, ********** ******* ******* ********* *********, etc., **** *** **** **** **/********** knowledge ** ******** ************ *** ******* things.

***, ***** ******* *** ** **** harder ** ************ **** *** **** performance ******. *** **** **** ** take **** ******* **** *** ***** cloud ******* ***** ** **** ** a ***** ***, *** ** *** suspect ** ***** ***** *** ******** may *** ****** ** ***** ** confirm **** ********* *** ***** ** internal ******. *****, ** ***'** ***** at ********** *** *** ** **** to ***** **** (** ****, ** at ***** ** **** ********). *** if ***'** **** **** **** ** system *******-***** ************, *** ***** ***** tons ** ********* ****** ** ******* a ******* **** ***'* **** ** your ***.

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UI
Undisclosed Integrator #1
•Jun 01, 2023
In reply to Brian Karas

* *** ** ******* * **** between ** ** ********, * ******* agent **** * ***** *******, *** a ******* ***** **** * ******** company ****. ***** *** **** *** firewalls ***'* **** ** **** ************ use **** ** ***-******** *****. **** was ***. * *** **** ** add ********** ******* ** *** ************ because * ********** ******* *** ***** service *** *** ********. **** ***** politely *** **** **** *** ****** everything *** ******* ******* **** ***** apart...

** *** ******* ** ***** ***** the ******** *** *** ****** ** quick ** ******* **** ********* *** admit ** ******** ******.

"*** *** **** ** *** *** back **? *** *** ******* **** firewall? *** *** ******* **** ******* firewall? *** *** *** ****** **** network ********** ****? ****, *'* ***** pretty **** **** **'* **** *******'* fault... ***** *** ****** ****** ** AT&T?"

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Ryan King
•Jun 01, 2023
Pacific Audio and Communications
In reply to Brian Karas

*** *** ************** *******, *** *********.

**** * ***** ****. **** *** mean *** *** *** ** ******* skills. ** ** *** **** *** are ******* *** *** *** ** much **** *********, ******* ****** *** charge ****. * ********* *** * client **** *** ** *** ** should *** **** *** ****** ********* to **** ** *** ******. * told *** ****** ***** ******* ******* I *** ** ****** ****** ***** means ** ***** **** *****. **** ended **** ************.

*** *********** ******* ******** **** ********* needs ** ** *****. **** *** best ***** ********** ***** ***** *'** seen *** **** ** **** ********** to ******* *** ***** **** **** available ** ***.

**** * ******* ********** ********* ** clients *** *** *** ** ******, I ***** **** **** **** ********, Pro, *** ********** ***************. **** ******** has * ********* **** ** ********** and ********* **** **** ****. ***** it's *******, *** ******** *** *** lowest ********** **** *** *** ******* amortized ****, ********** ** *** ***** way ******, *** *** ** ********* in *** ******. **** *** ** 'cloud' *********** *** **** *** *** 'cloud.'

* **** ****** **** ***** ** deploy * ******* ********** ******** **** I **** * *** ******** **** router **** ************ *, ****** **** manufacturer *, *** ****** ****** **** manufacturer *. ****'* ******* **'* **** efficient ** ******, ******, *** ********. And **** ***********, ** ************. **** efficiency **** ***** **** *** **** 10 *****.

******** ** *** **** ********, *** upfront ** ********* **** ** ** Avigilon **** ******** **** *** *** Avigilon ******* *** ** **** ********* than * *** **** *, ******* from *, *** ******* **** * and *. ******** ****** **********, ***************, which *** ** ****** **** **** in ****/**********?

** * **** ******* ******* * lead **** ** ********** ******** **** a ***, ***** *** ****** ******** a ****** **** **** ** ****** and ********? *** * ***, *** a ********** **********.

***** **'** ********* ***** **** *** easy *** **** *** ********* ******. Which **** ****** ** ****?

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John Honovich
•Jun 01, 2023
IPVM
In reply to Brian Karas

**** ********** **** ** *******, *** average ***** ****** *** ** **** plug-and-play *** ****** *** **** *** traditional ** ******. *******, **** ****** don't ** ** ******* - .... IME, ***** ******* *** ** **** harder ** ************ **** *** **** performance ******.

* ***** **** ****. ** ***** is **** ****** ** ** ******* with ***** *******, **** **%+ ** the ****, **** *** *** **** a ******* **** **** **** **% of *** ****. ** * ** setting ** ********* ********, * **** a ******* **** ***% ** *** time.

** ********, ** * ** ********** technicians, * *** ******* ******* ** teams ** ***** ****, ****-******* **** and **** ****** ** ********** ****** end, ****** ******* **** ** *** exception, ***** ***** ** ***** **** for *** ***** ****** / **********, etc.

*****/********?

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Brian Karas
•Jun 01, 2023
Pelican Zero
In reply to John Honovich

** ***** ** **** ****** ** as ******* **** ***** *******, **** 90%+ ** *** ****

* ***** ***'** ****-********** **** ******, but *** ** ** ****** ***** worrying *****.

** * ** ******* ** ********* XProtect, * **** * ******* **** 100% ** *** ****.

*'** ***** ****** ****** ********* ** "easy ** *****", ** ********* **** would ** *** ******* **** *** lower-skilled ***********, ***** *** ********** *** appropriate ********** **** ****?

** ********, ** * ** ********** technicians, * *** ******* ******* ** teams ** ***** ****, ****-******* **** and **** ****** ** ********** ****** end, ****** ******* **** ** *** exception, ***** ***** ** ***** **** for *** ***** ****** / **********, etc.

***, ** *** **** ******* **** require **** ********* *********, *** *** probably *** *****-******* ***** *** *** deployments. ****** **** ***** ******* *** be * *** *** *** *********** then. **** ****** ** **** *** retain *****-******* *****.

JH
John Honovich
•Jun 02, 2023
IPVM
In reply to Brian Karas

**** ****** ** **** *** ****** lower-skilled *****.

* ***** ***** ****. ** *** short ****, *********** *** **** **** as * ***. ** *** *** to **** ****, *********** *** **** for ***** ****** ***** ** ****** for *** ****** ** ***** *** charge ***** ******.

***** ***** ***** ********** ****, *** Integrator *** ** **** ******* ****** Access ******* ****. * ***** **** **********'* ******** makes ******* ***** ***** *** ********** involved **** ******** *****. ***** *** very *** ********* ** *** **** who *** ********** *** ******* ** deal **** ****, **** *** ******* profits.

*** *** ****** ******* ** *** cloud, *** **** ********** ****** ******* compared ** *****'* ******** *****.

*** ***** ******* **** ******. ******* has ******* ****** *** **** *** not ****** *** **** *** *** they *** ******* ***** ****-** *** high ******* **** *****-****, ***** ******* local *****. ****'* *** ********* *** market **** ****** *******.

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Robert Shih
•Aug 04, 2023
Independent
In reply to Brian Karas

** ** ******** ** ****, ** also ******* ** *** ******** ******** that *** **********/********* ** *********** ***. Staged/pre-provisioned ********* ***** ** ** **** in **** **** ***** ******* **** that **'* ******** **** *** ***** provider *** ******* **** *** ** work. ****, ********** **-***** ** ** an ***/**** ** ******** ** *** acquisition *** ******* *** *** ********/************ installer ** **** ** ****** ***** lead.

*******, *** ***** ** ** ********* required ********* **** *** ** *** following ** ****.

*) *** ***** ******* *****'* ******* the ********* *** ** * *****-***** solution

*) *** ***** ** ***** ** either *** ********** ** ***-****

*) ** *** ********** ** **** the ***/**** *** *** ***-****

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Brian Rhodes
•Jun 01, 2023
IPVMU Certified

*** ***** *** ********** ******* *** IT ****** *** ** ******* *******.

******** ** *** *** **** (*.*. pre-cloud/only **-*******), *** ****/****** ********** * VMS ** ****** ********** ******** *** the ********* ************* ******* ** ********** like ********* *** ******* **** **** significantly ********.

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Sean Patton
•Jun 01, 2023

**** *** ******* **********, * ***** defining *** *********** ***** **** ************ is *********: *******/******, ******/*******/********, *** ********** are ***** *** ******* ******* ** impact *** ****, *** ***** *** specializations ** *** **** ******* "**" technician *****.

*******/******

******* ** *** *** ******* ******** in ********* *** ********* **** *****/***** systems, ** **** ** ***** ******* do *** *** ***** *******, ******* plugins, ***. **** ******* **** ************ and ****-**** ***********, ***** *********** **** away. **********, ********* ** *** ****** control ** ****** ********, *** *** have ****** ********* ****** ** ***** admin ******** ** ******* ******** ** be **** ** *********** **** ** departments *** ********* ****** ************ ******* through *******/** ****** **********.

******/*******/********

*********, ********* ** *** ***** ************ (see*** *** ***** ************ *****), ******/*******/******** ** ********* ** ****** significantly *********. *********, **** * *****, the ****** **, ******* ********, *** databases *** ****** ****** ** *** Cloud ** ***** **** ** *********, eliminating ************, *** *** ********** ** the *****/***** ********.

**********

******* ** **********, ** ** ********** as ** ********** *** ******* **+ VSaaS/Cloud *******, ***** ** * ******* variance ** ******** **** ********** *** VMS-based ***** ************ *** *****/***** **** dealing **** *** ***. ** *** deploy * **** **********, ******, *** tested ******, ****** ** ****** ** work **** *** **** ******* ********** challenges. *********, *** ******* "***-**-***-*****" ** the ********** *** *** **** *** VSaaS/Cloud ** ******** ***********. *****, *** impact ** **** ** ****** **** vary, ***** ** *** ***** ************. For *******, ** ******* ** ********* on-premise, *** ******* ** ** *** local ***, *** **** *********.

*******, ********* *** ********** ***** ** remotely *** ******** ********** *******, ***/*** vs *****/*****, ***** ***** *** * small ****** ** ***** ******** ****** remote ***** **** ************ (***** ****** ***** ****** ******,******* ***** / ****** ***** ****** Tested, ***.), *****/***** ******* ********* **** this ************* ****** ** ********** ** requiring *** ** ******** ******* ** a ***.

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UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #2
•Jun 02, 2023

* **** *** * ***** *******. I'm ******* *********** ** *** ** keep *** **** *** ** ****.

* ***** **** ****** *** ** easier **** *****, *** **** *****, for * ******* ** *******, ****** become **** ***********. **** ** *** as ******* ****** ** *** ********** of *** *******. ** **'* * handful ** ******* ** * ********* or ****** ******* ***** *** **** few ********.

*******, **** ***** *** *****, ******* firewall *****, ** ***** ******* ** other ******, **** *** **** **** have * ********** ****** *** ***** in *****, **** ****** *** ********. What ** *** **** ***** ** that *** ********** ** **** *****'* have ****** ** **** *********** ** the ******* ** *****'* **** *** knowledge ** **** ** **.

**** ** *** **** *** ******* setup/config **** ****** ** **** ******.

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Undisclosed #3
•Jun 02, 2023
In reply to Undisclosed Manufacturer #2

**** ** *** **** *** ******* setup/config **** ****** ** **** ******.

* ***** **** ***** **** *** primary ***** ** **** ** *** team **** **** *** *******, **?

*** *** **** ********* ***** ** not * ***** ***** *** **** change **** ****.

*********, ***** ** * *** **** for ******** *********** ** ***** ***** decrease (** ******* *** ** **** above).

*** **** *** **** **** ***** to *** *** **** **** **** exercise **** ******* ******* *** **** integrators *** ** **** **** ** believe **** **** ***'* **** **** anymore, ****** *** *********** ************.

***'* **** *** *** **** ** Verkadas *** *****?

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Sean Patton
•Jun 02, 2023
In reply to Undisclosed Manufacturer #2

**** ** *** **** *** ******* setup/config **** ****** ** **** ******.

**** ** ****** *** **** **** VMSes ** ****. ******* ********** **** not ************, ** ***** *** ******* equally. **** ***** *** *** ****.

UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #4
•Jun 02, 2023

*'** **** ** *** ******** ********** for *+ *****.

* ********* * ******* ****** ** my *****. ** **** ** ** minutes.

* ***** *+ ***** ******* ** a ********* ***** ******, **** **** and ***** **** *******. *** **** trouble ******* ********* ** *********** *** quantity ** ******** * *** ******* purchased **** ** ********** *** ********** were *** **** *** ** **** date ** ***** ****** ** ***** not ******* *********.

* *** ** ******** *** ******** clients: * ********** *** * ******* one, *** ** **** *** ** up ** ***** *** **** *** need * ******* **** ** * monitor???

******* ********* ******* ***** *******: "**** the ********** *** **** ** ** you."

****, ***** ******* **** ** ****** for ****.

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Ryan King
•Jun 02, 2023
Pacific Audio and Communications

***** *'* *** *** **** ****** to ***** ** ** ** ********* residential *** ****** ****** ** *** network. ** ** *** *** ****** technology *****. **** ********** *** *** privileges. * **** ******** ***** ******** as ******* *********. ** ***** *'* biased ** ***** ** ***** **** me * ****** ***** ******** ************.

** * *** * *********** ********** integrator ******* *** ************ ***** ******** are ************ ** ******** ******** *** me, * ***** ****** ******* **** about ******** ***** ****** ** ***** were *** ********. ** *** * problem, *** ******* ** **** * don't **** ** **. *** * pushed **** ********** **** *** ******* some ** *** ********** ******* * had ** **** **** **** ** feeling **** ***** **** *****'* ** good ** * ******** *** * didn't **** ** ** *******.

* **** ***** *** **** '*****' is * ********** **** **** *** a *** ** ********* ** ******** meaning. ** *** ******* *****, *** the ******* ** ** *** ***** (excluding ******-**** *** ** ******** ****-******** applications). * **** ** ******* *** differences ** ***-********* ****** ** *** dev.

UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #4
•Jun 03, 2023

***** ***** ******** **** ********** **** security *********** **** ***** ******.

**** * ******** ***** ***** ********* nullifies *** ******** ******, **’* **** over *** *********** ****** ** ********* wire *******.

******* * ******* *.*–**’** **** ** Zerkada.

******* **** **** *** ******* **** auto ******** ***** ** ******* ** IP *******. *** * ******** ********* that ***** *** *** *** ** cameras **** **.

*** ****** ****** * ****** *******? Bloop, **** ****.

***’* **** *******, **** **** **** us ****.

*** ******* **** ** * ***** of ******** ******* ******** ** *** cloud?

**’* *** **** ** ****, **’* inevitable.

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U
Undisclosed #5
•Jun 03, 2023

***** ******** ******* *** ********** ********* required *** *** ******* *** ***-*** installation, *** **** *********** ************* ** troubleshooting ** ******, ** *** ** far **** ******** **** **** ** required ** *********** **-**** *******.

**** **-**** *******, ***** ** "******" the ****** ** ******* * ********* network *** *********, **** ** ******** or ****** ************** ********. ** ****, some ***** *** **** ** ** put ** ***** *** *** ******(*) connection ** ***/***. ** ******, ***** are *** **** ******* ** * deployment **** *******, *** ****, ********* rules.

** *** **** ****, *** ******* in * *****-****** ****** **** ** able ** ***** ***** *** ****. As ** *******, *********'* ******** ******** can ***** ****** **** *****-****** ******* that ******* ********** ***** *** ******** phone-home *****. *****'* **** ** ********* chance **** *** ********* ******** ************** can **** ** ******** **** *********'* hidden ****** ****. ***** *** *** common ********* *** **-**** *********** *** the ******* "**** *** ***** * little ***** **********" ******'* ** ********* at *************** ***** ******. ****, * believe **** *****-****** ******* ******* ***** routing ** ***** ***** ******* ******** to *** *******, ***** *** ** problematic ** ***** *** ** ****.

** ******, ******** ******* ** **** cameras ****** * ******* ******* **** require ** ********** *************, ******* * server **** ***** ******* **** ********** and ******** **** *** ****** ******. Many ***** ********** ********** **** **** require ** ******* ************* ********** *** cloud-hosted ******* - *** **** ************* is ******, ** *** ***** ** relatively ****.

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UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #6
•Aug 04, 2023

**********: * ** **** * ***** manufacturer *** **** ***** ***** * traditional **-**** ** *******.

*** ** **** ** * ******* debate. *** ** *** **** ********** of ***** ** ** *** ** bluntly, *** *********** ** *** **. Less *******, *** ******* ********* ** the ** **************, ** ******, ** responsibilities, ** **** ** ******* *** even *** ***** ** ** *** networking ******.

** ** ***** **** ** *** it ****** **. **** **'* ***, it ** ******** * ******* ***** or * ******** ***** - ********** to ***** ***** **** **** *** some ****** ** *********.

*** ********** ** **** ***** ******* cases (*** ** ****** **** **** directly ** ****** *****) *** ***** in ******, **** *************** *** **** application-specific.

****** ***** ** **** ** **** problems **** ************ **/********** ****** ** our ********** *** ******** ********. *** our ******* ******* ** ***** ******* the ******* ** **** **-**** ** still ****** ** **** ******* ********* hate ***.

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