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Does Anyone On This Site NOT Use Video Surveillance At Their Own Home?

U
Undisclosed #1
Oct 30, 2017
IPVMU Certified

I would think everybody does, but if anyone doesn’t I’m curious why not.

UI
Undisclosed Integrator #2
Oct 31, 2017

Alarm guys routinely don’t have alarms. 

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U
Undisclosed #1
Oct 31, 2017
IPVMU Certified

Lol, that was my next question...

UI
Undisclosed Integrator #3
Oct 31, 2017

I do not for a handful of reasons

1. I would not put Hik or Dahua on my house and cannot afford what I would like.

2. I do not feel a constant presence of security fears.

3. When the choice is taking my kids to Disney World and saving for college or spending $7k to kit out my house the kids win every time.

 

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Greg Cortina
Oct 31, 2017

I’ve had video for years in my home.  It helps me know our products in depth and the strange issues that appear or let’s me test weird requests. 

 

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U
Undisclosed #1
Oct 31, 2017
IPVMU Certified

...spending $7k to kit out my house.

$7k of stuff at integrator cost would get you a sweet system!

#kitmyhouse

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UI
Undisclosed Integrator #3
Nov 01, 2017

I work for an integrator but I am not the owner.  There is burden and taxes that I would be expected to cover.

UI
Undisclosed Integrator #9
Nov 06, 2017

Whew, $7k that would be some kit! I went for Hik closed circuit grey market stuff x4 cameras and x8 PoE NVR at around $600. No worries about network intrusion and at least I have something instead of one Axis camera.

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UI
Undisclosed Integrator #3
Nov 06, 2017

My dollars do not go to the Chinese government even with the cybersecurity risk taken out of the equation.

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UI
Undisclosed Integrator #12
Nov 09, 2017

Admirable principles, but ultimately naive.

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UI
Undisclosed Integrator #3
Nov 09, 2017

You are, of course, entitled to your opinion.  I do not feel it is naivete when I know the cybersecurity risks, which I note as not a major concern for me, and am readily aware of the government ownership.  That government ownership stake is a no-go for me.  How does that present as naivete?  I would put forth that the folks deploying these products that remain uncaring or unaware of those two items are the naive ones.

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UI
Undisclosed Integrator #12
Nov 10, 2017

Cybersecurity concerns, totally valid and I don't disagree with you there.

I say naive in the sense that your statement about supporting the Chinese government ultimately has zero impact on them or Hikvision, and if you won't purchase their products someone else will anyways and fulfill contracts you may not otherwise get. This is not something that you can affect at a grassroots activism level.

If we were talking about donating money directly to the Chinese government that might be a different story but the fact is that Hikvision provides a useful, cost effective, and competitive product in exchange for your money.

Your choice not to purchase their technology based on their owners doesn't accomplish anything on a global level, just gives you a bit of moral comfort while again naively ignoring other inconvenient facts such as where the product you're viewing this message on was manufactured, as well as probably 80% of the other stuff you own. Even if those makers aren't owned by the Chinese government you think they don't pay taxes to them?

And we still haven't touched on the whole overblown Chinese government boogeyman perception. The POTUS is there right now lauding them and making deals with them. They're not Marxist commies anymore and they're not petty thugs like Rocket Man, they're capitalists looking to grow their nation just as any nation tries to do in order to stay relevant on the world stage.

But if not buying Hikvision makes you sleep better at night then that's fine, don't. As you say, just my opinion.

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U
Undisclosed #4
Oct 31, 2017

I find it an odd assumption... I don't see any reason why I should set up surveillance in my apartment. It would freak out friends and provide nothing more than administrative burden and plentiful cat footage.

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U
Undisclosed #1
Oct 31, 2017
IPVMU Certified

Does your apartment building itself have any surveillience?

U
Undisclosed #4
Oct 31, 2017

Not that I know of. There's "access control", ie. storage spaces require a key that identifies the owner and there's a code lock for the exterior door, but I'm sure every pizza delivery guy in the neighbourhood knows the code anyway. There are a couple of cameras in the adjacent buildings and a couple keeping an eye on the corner of this one (there's a store there), but likely not very useful as evidence if something happens inside the building.

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U
Undisclosed #1
Oct 31, 2017
IPVMU Certified

In any case, since you are not responsible for the security of the outer structure itself, I would agree your need is diminished.

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Sean Nelson
Oct 31, 2017
Nelly's Security

If you are in any type of ownership position, I think its a sin if you dont have some of your equipment installed on your own house. 

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Brandon Knutson
Oct 31, 2017
IPVMU Certified

The last thing I want to do at home is run cable. So I have Arlo cameras on the exterior, Canary for the interior. 

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Hans Kahler
Oct 31, 2017
Eagle Eye Networks

I work for Eagle Eye Networks.

As a manufacturer, I have a system in my house.  We also provide systems to our employees for their use.  It gets them more familiar with our offering and also provides a set of users to test new features on.

 

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Joseph Marotta
Nov 09, 2017
IPVMU Certified

Excellent business practice!

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Christopher Freeman
Nov 01, 2017

Mainly I do because the home is my test bench where I can see if cameras really perform and work out bugs w/o going to the office or out to the job on weekends or early am when no one is around or up to see the sunrise. 

cff

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UI
Undisclosed Integrator #5
Nov 06, 2017

I have many different technologies around my home. These include different models of cameras from different manufacturers.

I like to walk the walk and test what we sell so I can give an informed recommendation on a product and understand better if that product would best suit the needs of a client.

It also gives me the opportunity to be creative when if comes to hidden cabling and test new ideas and techniques. I now have perfected the art of reconstructing door frames to hide cables around them. The only problem is I keep adding new toys and now have a 19U comms cabinet behind my desk in my study!

 

 

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UI
Undisclosed Integrator #6
Nov 06, 2017

A lot of us may work with what I'll call 'professional systems' that are for commercial and not really priced for the home.  I have a few cameras, but am not crazily worried about break-ins and also don't pay for an alarm service.  It would be a high price to put the cameras we sell in a residence.  Guess could go with Hik or Dahua or a Costo kit but have not.

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U
Undisclosed #1
Nov 06, 2017
IPVMU Certified

A lot of us may work with what I'll call 'professional systems' that are for commercial and not really priced for the home. I have a few cameras, but am not crazily worried about break-ins and also don't pay for an alarm service. It would be a high price to put the cameras we sell in a residence. 

Don’t you ever ’take your work home’?

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U
Undisclosed #8
Nov 06, 2017

Love it !!!

U
Undisclosed #7
Nov 06, 2017

I find that I don’t have a need for cameras at my home. I already have the best surveillance/intrusion detection/deterrent system available. 

Dogs. 

That said, the TCO for cameras would be much lower since cameras don’t eat. :-)

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U
Undisclosed #1
Nov 06, 2017
IPVMU Certified

Dogs.

That said, the TCO for cameras would be much lower since cameras don’t eat. :-)

They also work together well.

 

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U
Undisclosed #8
Nov 06, 2017

I don't.

But should.

Too busy with work ... LoL

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John Bazyk
Nov 06, 2017
Command Corporation • IPVMU Certified

Not only do I have surveillance at home I am always upgrading and installing new equipment. I have to test everything out. I have three servers running in my basement with different VMS's, several different kinds of switches and a ton of wireless stuff. 80% of what's in my house I thought was awesome before I put it in. After using it for a week or so or even just a few hours I decided I would not sell it. 

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Jerome Paukovits
Nov 06, 2017
IPVMU Certified

I never did and would always lock up everything at night, then one day when I saw my wheels missing off my car that changed everything.

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UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #10
Nov 06, 2017

I have the history of video from 1986 in my basement in boxes and/or shelves. Most of it only worked for a few months at a time to prove/disprove/compare performance from manufacturers demo equipment. It must be some sort of industry madness I've contracted that I can't throw away a 30 year old vidicon tube! Still trying to find a Saturday to throw out a bunch of 1" lenses! Anyone need a bunch of properly terminated RG59 jumpers of various lengths? LOL! IPVM did what I wanted to do! Congrats John H for launching a successful business on real world results of devices and software rather than what datasheets have lied about for years!

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Brian Karas
Nov 06, 2017
IPVM

I have had cameras on/around my house for a pretty long time. The image below is from my first "video analytics" installation/test, in 1999. This was on an analog camera (of course). The 4 white squares were movable, and the system would create a tripwire around the perimeter. You could adjust for object size/sensitivity (somewhat).

The unit itself was a 1U box that provided a single channel of analytics (plus some relays to signal others systems, and digital inputs for arming/disarming).

It was expensive, unreliable, and quirky. And it was awesome (for the time).

I can not recall the brand, it was nothing that was well known.

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Cliff Ziegler
Nov 07, 2017
Looks like an similar to an old Adpro (now Xtralis) Axiom analytics platform. I did an number of these in the oil/gas and utility customers. Connected the BNC through this, and it was able to a number of detection's through snow and fog. 1st iteration was 3RU and then the came up with a smaller 1U, from 1999-2005, good times.
U
Undisclosed #1
Nov 07, 2017
IPVMU Certified

The unit itself was a 1U box that provided a single channel of analytics (plus some relays to signal others systems, and digital inputs for arming/disarming).

The great-grandfather of this, perhaps?

 

UI
Undisclosed Integrator #2
Nov 08, 2017
The DAVID system was my first entry into VMD. “ Sometime in the very beginning of the '80s, digital video motion detection was born. The first digital system I was aware of was called the DAVID by the Senstar Corporation of Kanata, ON, Canada. For the most part, DAVID was developed for government applications. Think about this: DVMD was available before computers were available to the general public. Expensive? Yes! Accurate to the extent that it could be used outside effectively? Not by today's standards, but given the options of 25 years ago, yes. Multi-camera input, multiple zones per input, with limited motion discrimination and individual contrast sensitivity per zone pushed DVMD up to the plate and hit a home run. The only major drawbacks were cost, limited market acceptance, technical and theoretical acceptance, and false alarms.” SDM article.
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U
Undisclosed #1
Nov 09, 2017
IPVMU Certified

The image below is from my first "video analytics" installation/test, in 1999.

Have you considered bringing the unit current with a license from the Avigilon Patent License Program?   ;)

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UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #11
Nov 08, 2017

I focus on security solutions that meet my customer's needs.  Cameras do not alleviate my personal security concerns for my home, but I have put security measures in place which do.

U
Undisclosed #1
Nov 08, 2017
IPVMU Certified

Cameras do not alleviate my personal security concerns for my home, but I have put security measures in place which do.

Burg Blaster, perhaps? :)

UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #11
Nov 12, 2017

Looks like it's time to add to my system!

UI
Undisclosed Integrator #12
Nov 09, 2017

I have a 16-port Hikvision NVR, a Darkfighter PTZ, and several domes and turrets for an 800 sq ft bungalow. I use them frequently and have caught crime in action. I don't live in a bad neighborhood but thieves travel. Thankfully the worst that's happened around here is punks trying for unlocked vehicle doors.

Like some have echoed above it allows me to familiarize myself with a product or line, learn idiosyncrasies, further my knowledge, and indulge in what is also something of a hobby. For me my home cameras are also toys that I enjoy playing with.

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UI
Undisclosed Integrator #13
Nov 13, 2017

 I do, so do two of my employees. All my employees get video systems at cost. They also get an alarm and monitoring for free. Most of them have taken the company up on it. The ones that haven't are either under contract or didn't know it is a benefit we offer.

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U
Undisclosed #1
Nov 13, 2017
IPVMU Certified

All my employees get video systems at cost.

That’s a great idea.  

Give it to them on their final interview, but they can’t start until after you inspect the install ;)

UI
Undisclosed Integrator #13
Nov 13, 2017

Hmmmm.... got the wheels turning.

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