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Do Integrators Know Who The "Bad Apples" In The Industry Are?

UE
Undisclosed End User #1
Sep 18, 2020

Questions from the context of an End User.

Do integrators know who the "bad apples" in the industry are? Can they tell over time who would sell a nothing burger vs. the ones that wouldn't?

******: **** ******* *** ***** **** an ******** **********:**** ******** ***** ****** ******* ** 9/11

JH
John Honovich
Sep 18, 2020
IPVM

***** ********. ***** ********** *********** ***** know ******* **** *********** *** ***, there’s ** **** *** ** **** the ******* ** ** ********** **** broadly. *** ***** ** ********* * need *** ****, *****’* ** ********** of **** ** **** ******** ********** so *** *** **** *****.

*******, **** ** **** ***** ** help ******** *********** / ******* **** form ** ****** *****?

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Peter Pavlov
Sep 18, 2020

** ***** **** ** ****** **** time ** *** ** **** **** integrators *** ******** *** ****. * would *** *** **** ******** ** integrators *** ***** ** *** ******* and ************ ** *** ********* **** to ***-***** *** ** ***** ** is **** ********** ** ****** **** you *** ** *** ***** ****. Obviously ***** *** *** **********: *********** integrators *** **** **** *********** ************* and ********* *********** *** **** **** dishonest *************. ** *** ****** ****, if ** ****** *** **** ** be ****, ** **** ******** ** when ** ***** **** ** ***** and *******.

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JH
John Honovich
Sep 18, 2020
IPVM

* ***** *** *** **** ******** of *********** *** ***** ** *** quality *** ************ ** *** ********* sell ** ***-*****

*** *** ******** **** ****** ***********. For *******, ************ *** ***** ***** quotes **** ** *** **** *** mostly ********, **** ******** *** **** / ** **** ****** ******* *** identified ** ********* ***** ********.

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Buddy Mason
Sep 18, 2020

***** ********** *** *** **** *****, along **** **** ****** ** *** the ******* ** **** *** **** with *** ********. **'* **** ** tell *** ********* ********* ** ** from *** ** ********** **** ** add ** *** *********.

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UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #2
Sep 18, 2020

**** ******* *****. * **** ***** met ** ********** *** *** *** have ********* *** ** *** ***** every ***** **********.

***** ** **** ********* ******* ** the ********** *** ******** ******, ** will ** ********** ** "*******" ** integrator. *** ********** *** ******** ********** had ** **** ****** *********** ******* upon **** *** ** **** *********** conditions, *** ***** *********** *** ** certifications *** *********.

****, * **** ***** **** *******..."*** users ***** ****** **** ** *** they *** ****** ********, **** ******** one **** / ** **** ****** pushing *** ********** ** ********* ***** products."

**** *********** ************ *** *** **** obtuse ****** ************ *** **** ********* model ******* ** **** ****** *** end **** ** **** ***** ****** and "****". *** **** **** *** were ****** ** **** ** ***** that *** ***** ***** ** *** keep ****** ************.

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UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #3
Sep 19, 2020

** ** *** ****, *** *** you ******** ** ****** *** ** the ****** ***** ******** ***’* ***** crap ** *** ***’* “****”?

** *** ***** ****** ***** ************ in *** ***** **** ** ***** lives, **** ******** *** * **, but ******* ******** **** ** ********* on * ******** ****** ** *********?

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JH
John Honovich
Sep 19, 2020
IPVM
MM
Michael Mayes
Sep 21, 2020

* **** ********** ****** **** *** "shop." ******, ***** *****-*** *** ******* is *** *****.

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UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #8
Oct 06, 2020

* ***** ** **** *** **** challenges **** ******** *** **'* *** other ********** ** ****. ********* **** Best *** *** ****** **** ****** model ******* **** **** **** **** even ** *** **** ***** ** the ***** **** ** ******* ********. This **** ** **** ********* ** comparison ****. **'* *** **** *** industry.

MM
Michael Mayes
Sep 21, 2020

* ***'* ***** ****'* *** **** answer ******. ** *** ****** **** to ** **** ******** ** *** government ** ***** ** ** **** work? ***** *** **** ********** *** plumbing, *** **** **** ********* **** are "*********" *** ***** ****'* **** good. ************* *****'* ***** *********.

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UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #2
Sep 19, 2020

"** ** *** ****, *** *** you ******** ** ****** *** ** the ****** ***** ******** ***’* ***** crap ** *** ***’*“****”?"* ***** #*...** ** ********* ** shop. ** ******* ** ***** ** illuminate *** ************ *********** ** *********** when ** *** ****, ** *** name ** ********, ******* ** ******* atmosphere ** ******* *** ****** *********** to ****** *** ******** ***** ******** on *** ******** **********. **** ** a ********* ***** **** *** ********** addressed.

***, ******** *** * **, ***** is * **** ******** ********* **** often ****** ** *** *** ** variables ******* ******, ** **** ********* from ****** *** ****** ******* ** integrator #*, ******** ** * ****** solution *** * ********** ********, *** passing ** ****** ** #*, #*, #4, ***.

** ** *** **** **** ** ask ******* *********** *** ***** ****** for *** ********, *** **** ******* the ******* *** *****, *** ****** of "********" ** ***** ********.

**** ** ** *****, **** *********** obscure *** ***** ******* ** ***** design *** ************** ** *** ********** proposed ******* ***** ******* **** **** unfairly "*******" *** **** *****.

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JH
John Honovich
Sep 19, 2020
IPVM

** ******* ** ***** ** ********** the ************ *********** ** *********** **** an *** ****, ** *** **** of ********, ******* ** ******* ********** by ******* *** ****** *********** ** simply *** ******** ***** ******** ** the ******** **********. **** ** * conundrum ***** **** *** ********** *********.

**, *** ********* *** ******** ****** but **** **************** **** *** ***** are ***** ****** ** **, ********** when **** ******* **. *** **** is *** ** *** ******** ***** pressure *** ** ****** *** **** to ** **** *********** ****** ****** like "** **** *** ***** ** Cameras $**,***" *** "** **** *** TruColor ** ******* $**,***". ***** ***** it **** ***** ********, **** **** these ****** **** ***** ***** ** it **** **** ** **** ****** it, ******* ***** ** ** **** make ***** ** **** ** *******.

***, ******** *** * **, ***** is * **** ******** ********* **** often ****** ** *** *** ** variables ******* ******, ** **** ********* from ****** *** ****** ******* ** integrator #*, ******** ** * ****** solution *** * ********** ********, *** passing ** ****** ** #*, #*, #4, ***.

*** ****** * ******** *** **** no ****** ** ****, * *** more ****** ** * ******* ** the ****. * ** *** ******* your ******* *** *****'* * *** of *********** **** **** ***** ****, try ** **** ** ** ** much ** **** ***, ***** *** pray.

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UI
Undisclosed Integrator #6
Sep 22, 2020

** *** **** * *** **** integrators ** ****** **** **** ** is *** **********. * ** * line ****** **** ****** ******** ********/******** and ***** ** *** **********. ******* we *** ** *** ****** **** of *** *** **** ******** *** the *********** ********** *** *** ******* though. * *** *** ***** ** would ** *********** ** **** *** End **** **** ****** **** ***** but, ** ***** *** **, **** is *** ********* ** **. ** want ** **** **** ***'** ********* because ** ** *** *** ** get *** ****** ********, *** ******** location *** *** ******* ** **** with ** ********** *** ******** ** order ** ******* *** ***********.

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Jeremiah Main
Sep 22, 2020
IPVMU Certified

*** *** ******* ** *** *** a ******?

*** ***** **** **** * ****** firm *** * ******* ** $*** per **** *** *** ****** (*** upwards ** $***/**) **** *** * paid *** ****** *** ** *** that **** **** *** ** ********* of *******. *******, **** *** ***** being ********** ** **** ********** **** relied ** ** ********** *** *** chosen ** ** *** ****** ** no **** ********* **** **** ** making ***** ***** ** *** **** and ************ ** *** ****** **** to **** **** *** **** **** the ****** *** *** ** ** the ***** ** ***** *** *** the ******** ******** (***** ** ******* a **** ******* *** ******** ** a ************ ******* ** ********** **** design ** *** ***** *****.) **** is *** ******** ** *** ***** that *** ****** *** ********** ** become **** *** **** ***** ** their ******. ***** ****** ***** ******** by *** ***** *** ****** *** door *** *** ********* *********** ** overprice * ******* ****** *** **** bait *** ****** ** ******** ***** profit *******.

******* *** ******** ** *** *** end ***** ** ***** ****** *** the ****** ****?

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MM
Michael Miller
Sep 19, 2020

*** ***** ** **** ******* *** integrators ** * **** ****** ******* and **** **** *** ****** ** other *******. * **** **** ***** integrators ******* **** ***** *** * am **** ***** *********** **** **** ours. **** ** *********** ** **** clients ***'* **** ** *** *** the ****** ****.

** *** **** ****, * **** also *********** *** **** ** **** clients *** **** ***** ***********. **** recently ** **** ******* ** * small ******* ***** *** ****** **** they **** ******* (*) ** *******, 30 **** ** *******, *** ******** pole ******, ********, *** * **** of ****** ******* ********* *** $*,***. I **** ** **** *** ****** could ******* * ******** ****** **** this *** $*,***.

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UM
Undisclosed Manufacturer #4
Sep 20, 2020

** ** ****'* *** *** ***. When ****** ******* ** ********** *** integrator **** ** **** ********, * was ****** ********* ***** *** **** design *** "******* ** ******** ****" end ********* ******** *********** ** ** as * ****** ** ******, *** free, **** **** ********** ** ********** on *** ********'* ****.

**'* *** ***** ** **** ***** the ******* ******** *** *** *** why *** ********** ***** ***** **** and ** *** **** ** ***** them. **'* * ******* ***** ***** to **** ******* ****, *** ** detail, *** *** **** **'** **** without ******** ****** **** **** *** customer's ****.

*** "******** ** * *****" ******* just ****** *** ****. *****'* ** intellectual ******** ** ****** ** *** the **** ** *** *****. (****, I ***** *** *********** ******* *** choose ** *** *****, *** ****'* not **** ** *** ******* ***'** buying.)

**'* **** **** **** ** * lawyer, ****** **** ** ******* ************ on *** **** ***** ****** *** and *** ****'** *** ***** ******, instead *** ** ****** ** ****** legal **** ****, ***** **** *****-********* legal *******, ****** ****, *** ***** completed ********* ***** ****** ******* *****.

* **** **** **** ** *** reason *** *** ***** ******* ***'* end ** ***** ******** **** *** solving * ********'* **** ********: *** customer *****'* ***** **** ******** **** of *** *******.

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JM
Jerome Miller
Sep 20, 2020

** * ******* ** ***** * large ******* **** ****** *** ** a ******* *** ******** ********. ** should ****, ***** ***** ******, ****** specifications, ******* ****, ********** **** **** projects, *********, ******* ***. ****** *** forces *** ******** ** ***** ***** their ***** *** ****** ***** ** what ********* *** *********** *** **** the ******* ******. **** **** *** need ** ** * ****** ***, but ******** * ****** ** ********** and ****** * ***** ** ********* can **** *** ****.

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UE
Undisclosed End User #5
Sep 22, 2020

* ********* ************ ********* *** **** groups ***** *********** ****'* ******* ** attend. **** ******** * ******** **** environment ***** *** ***** *** **** open *** ****** ************* **** **** other ***** *** **** ****/***** *** who **** ***'*. **** * ************ that *** **** *** *** ***** and *** **** ** **** ******* an *** **** *****. ***** ***** these **** ******, ********** **** ******** ones, **** **** ******* *** ***** that *** **** **** **** *** integration **** ** *** ********. ***** on ** ** **** ** ***** guys ** ********, **** ****** ** willing ** **** *** ******* *** good *********** **** *** ***. * myself ** ** ********** ****** *** user, *** ** ****** ******* ** help ** ***** **** *** **** informed ********* ** ********. * ****** networking *** ** * **** *** towards ******* * ***** **********...*** ***, they *** *** *****!

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UI
Undisclosed Integrator #7
Oct 06, 2020

* ***** **** **** **** **** time **** *** **** **** ********. It's * ****** *****. **** **** when *** ***** ** **** **** people , **** **** ************* **** you *** **** ***********. "** *** way **** ********* & ** ******* or ** **** *** *****?......" *** example

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