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Do Integrators Know Who The "Bad Apples" In The Industry Are?

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Do integrators know who the "bad apples" in the industry are? Can they tell over time who would sell a nothing burger vs. the ones that wouldn't?

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**** ******* *****. * have ***** *** ** integrator *** *** *** have ********* *** ** see ***** ***** ***** competitor.

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** ** *** **** were ** *** ******* integrators *** ***** ****** for *** ********, *** then ******* *** ******* and *****, *** ****** of "********" ** ***** achieved.

**** ** ** *****, many *********** ******* *** exact ******* ** ***** design *** ************** ** the ********** ******** ******* their ******* **** **** unfairly "*******" *** **** times.

** ******* ** ***** to ********** *** ************ experienced ** *********** **** an *** ****, ** the **** ** ********, creates ** ******* ********** by ******* *** ****** information ** ****** *** downward ***** ******** ** the ******** **********. **** is * ********* ***** John *** ********** *********.

**, *** ********* *** describe ****** *** **** mischaracterizes **** *** ***** are ***** ****** ** do, ********** **** **** contact **. *** **** is *** ** *** downward ***** ******** *** to ****** *** **** to ** **** *********** submit ****** **** "** High *** ***** ** Cameras $**,***" *** "** Mega *** ******** ** Cameras $**,***". ***** ***** it **** ***** ********, they **** ***** ****** with ***** ***** ** it **** **** ** they ****** **, ******* comes ** ** **** make ***** ** **** is *******.

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*** ****** * ******** see **** ** ****** in ****, * *** more ****** ** * receipt ** *** ****. I ** *** ******* your ******* *** *****'* a *** ** *********** that **** ***** ****, try ** **** ** up ** **** ** they ***, ***** *** pray.

** *** **** * LOT **** *********** ** simply **** **** ** is *** **********. * or * **** ****** that ****** ******** ********/******** and ***** ** *** acceptable. ******* ** *** on *** ****** **** of *** *** **** spectrum *** *** *********** eventually *** *** ******* though. * *** *** where ** ***** ** frustrating ** **** *** End **** **** ****** your ***** ***, ** least *** **, **** is *** ********* ** do. ** **** ** know **** ***'** ********* because ** ** *** job ** *** *** actual ********, *** ******** location *** *** ******* to **** **** ** understand *** ******** ** order ** ******* *** expenditure.

*** *** ******* ** pay *** * ******?

*** ***** **** **** a ****** **** *** a ******* ** $*** per **** *** *** design (*** ******* ** $450/hr) **** *** * paid *** ****** *** to *** **** **** them *** ** ********* of *******. *******, **** end ***** ***** ********** in **** ********** **** relied ** ** ********** who *** ****** ** do *** ****** ** no **** ********* **** will ** ****** ***** money ** *** **** and ************ ** *** system **** ** **** that *** **** **** the ****** *** *** it ** *** ***** of ***** *** *** the ******** ******** (***** is ******* * **** without *** ******** ** a ************ ******* ** generating **** ****** ** the ***** *****.) **** is *** ******** ** end ***** **** *** driven *** ********** ** become **** *** **** vague ** ***** ******. Those ****** ***** ******** by *** ***** *** opened *** **** *** for ********* *********** ** overprice * ******* ****** and **** **** *** switch ** ******** ***** profit *******.

******* *** ******** ** for *** *** ***** to ***** ****** *** the ****** ****?

*** ***** ** **** clients *** *********** ** a **** ****** ******* and **** **** *** design ** ***** *******. I **** **** ***** integrators ******* **** ***** and * ** **** other *********** **** **** ours. **** ** *********** as **** ******* ***'* want ** *** *** the ****** ****.

** *** **** ****, I **** **** *********** the **** ** **** clients *** **** ***** integrators. **** ******** ** were ******* ** * small ******* ***** *** client **** **** **** getting (*) ** *******, 30 **** ** *******, one ******** **** ******, intercom, *** * **** of ****** ******* ********* for $*,***. * **** no **** *** ****** could ******* * ******** system **** **** *** $7,000.

** ** ****'* *** big ***. **** ****** started ** ********** *** integrator **** ** **** industry, * *** ****** surprised ***** *** **** design *** "******* ** problems ****" *** ********* expected *********** ** ** as * ****** ** course, *** ****, **** zero ********** ** ********** on *** ********'* ****.

**'* *** ***** ** talk ***** *** ******* problems *** *** *** why *** ********** ***** solve **** *** ** the **** ** ***** them. **'* * ******* other ***** ** **** exactly ****, *** ** detail, *** *** **** it'll **** ******* ******** coming **** **** *** customer's ****.

*** "******** ** * store" ******* **** ****** the ****. *****'* ** intellectual ******** ** ****** on *** *** **** of *** *****. (****, I ***** *** *********** helping *** ****** ** the *****, *** ****'* not **** ** *** product ***'** ******.)

**'* **** **** **** if * ******, ****** than ** ******* ************ on *** **** ***** defend *** *** *** they're *** ***** ******, instead *** ** ****** an ****** ***** **** plan, ***** **** *****-********* legal *******, ****** ****, and ***** ********* ********* price ****** ******* *****.

* **** **** **** is *** ****** *** too ***** ******* ***'* end ** ***** ******** with *** ******* * customer's **** ********: *** customer *****'* ***** **** critical **** ** *** process.

** * ******* ** doing * ***** ******* they ****** *** ** a ******* *** ******** document. ** ****** ****, among ***** ******, ****** specifications, ******* ****, ********** from **** ********, *********, bonding ***. ****** *** forces *** ******** ** think ***** ***** ***** and ****** ***** ** what ********* *** *********** can **** *** ******* happen. **** **** *** need ** ** * formal ***, *** ******** a ****** ** ********** and ****** * ***** of ********* *** **** the ****.

* ********* ************ ********* end **** ****** ***** integrators ****'* ******* ** attend. **** ******** * pressure **** *********** ***** end ***** *** **** open *** ****** ************* with **** ***** ***** who **** ****/***** *** who **** ***'*. **** a ************ **** *** feel *** *** ***** and *** **** ** they ******* ** *** user *****. ***** ***** these **** ******, ********** well ******** ****, **** have ******* *** ***** that *** **** **** from *** *********** **** of *** ********. ***** on ** ** **** of ***** **** ** possible, **** ****** ** willing ** **** *** discern *** **** *********** from *** ***. * myself ** ** ********** turned *** ****, *** am ****** ******* ** help ** ***** **** the **** ******** ********* as ********. * ****** networking *** ** * long *** ******* ******* a ***** **********...*** ***, they *** *** *****!

* ***** **** **** come **** **** **** you **** **** ********. It's * ****** *****. With **** **** *** start ** **** **** people , **** **** automatically **** *** *** that ***********. "** *** way **** ********* & or ******* ** ** have *** *****?......" *** example