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Developing A Standardized Project Deliverables Package - What Do You Include Or Recommend?

UI
Undisclosed Integrator #1
Apr 06, 2019

Hi,

We are trying to standardize our business practices and formalize what we deliver to our customers after a surveillance project is complete.  We usually provide a binder with drawings, pictures, a spreadsheet with IPs, installation check sheets, change orders, warranty info, etc...   I think even small systems need something.  Scaling this is troublesome.  

We simply try to provide as-builts and good documentation in our deliverables.  It is time intensive and costly, but we feel it is worth it.  If nothing else, we feel it is paramount in providing great service.

In short we are trying to get better and more consistent in what we provide.  What things do you typically deliver to you clients?  Any tips to make this more painless?  How do you deal with system passwords?

Any wisdom or input much appreciated.

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UI
Undisclosed Integrator #2
Apr 06, 2019

How big are your projects? Small is relative. For us, we are in the 10-40 camera arena most of the time.

 

We currently provide nothing. Not a single sheet of paper, just an email with an invoice... horrible

 

We already have some folders designed, and business cards printed with our support info. The plan is to put a summary of what we installed, cameras, intrusion, fire, access control etc, any relevant info, and support instructions in the folder. I did not think about a binder. A binder may be overkill as we would only have a few sheets of paper in it.

 

A map may be helpful, and we thought about keeping one in the head end, still undecided. All the IP's and configs would mean nothing to our clients as they usually have no real IT support.

 

We keep passwords, configs etc inside Connectwise. It's still a work in progress getting it all in there and we are slowly working on that goal.

UI
Undisclosed Integrator #1
Apr 06, 2019

Thanks for your honest reply :-).  Our typical project is the same as yours... SMB type stuff.  Some charter schools as well.

How do you like Connectwise?

UI
Undisclosed Integrator #2
Apr 06, 2019

Ehh its getting there. You learn a lot of nuances as you move along. Right now we are struggling with how we setup a master company with sites under them. We are looking at making each site its own company. Billing is an issue, and how the company/site transition to "Sell" the quoting tool is an issue.

 

Our techs are having a hard time with the app and clocking in and out. They seem to double enter time as they create one entry when they clock in, and another when they clock out. I look at time spent and am about to snap until I see the same tech has two entries on the same day, every day. 

 

It sure as hell wasn't a cheap investment. My office manager has 6+ years as a CW admin for a MSP, and she still has spent at least 100+ hours on tweaks, calls with CW, imports, etc. And we are only using a small portion. Michael warned me, and he was right. It is a 100k marathon, not a 100 yard sprint.

 

But overall I think it was a good move.

 

Now if Michael would just let me know how he is handling contacts inside CW, that may make our life a little easier with the company/site relationship. :)

 

I knew he was going to suggest IT Glue as well. We looked at it, and just can not justify the additional expense. At some point, I need to make more than a few hundred bucks each week. Investment in the company has to slow and I have to pull some money out or I am going to burn out...

 

 

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MM
Michael Miller
Apr 06, 2019

Have at look at ITglue.  You can load all your system info, secure passwords, documentation and more then give your customer access to their info if you want by setting up account and giving them access. It also intergrated with Connectwise.

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UI
Undisclosed Integrator #1
Apr 06, 2019

Hi Michael - thanks for your feedback.  Does it help to create the documentation or just a bucket to hold it as so to speak?   I will watch some videos and check it out.  What would you say are the main things you use it for?  

MM
Michael Miller
Apr 06, 2019

Send me a PM and I can go into more detail. 

UI
Undisclosed Integrator #1
Apr 10, 2019

PM sent.

U
Undisclosed #3
Apr 06, 2019

The customer needs to understand items that are not expensed on the final bill your team pays for with their time. Don't sell yourself short, in the very least if the system documentation is minimal you can sell at a break even cost to deliver basic system parameters. A smart PM can work with an office admin on working out simple project closing documentation templates.

As for me, I personally put in my own time to have my own project record, photos, emails and changes from the original scope. This is  usually a digital project folder with some simple filters to pack it all away. It's mine (I cannot remember everything and need to file my work somewhere), it feels more like a journal/blog.

If the project is large, plenty of wiggle room to build in system documentation and charge for it as part of your standards. In regards to passwords, it comes down to theirs or yours. Never leave the defaults login enabled, change it to a higher level and then have them manage it from there, even on isolated hardware. If they want nothing to do with it then preventive maintenance is your friend. Firmware, SSA updates, Password Lists, Backups, Syslogs make them pay. If they really want U: admin P: admin then circle back with them in an email describing the risks and see if they still want to own it. Do not let your technicians run amuck with passwords and logins, the engineer, pm or integrator owner should be able to provide a path to follow.

Good Luck.

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UI
Undisclosed Integrator #1
Apr 07, 2019

Thank you undisclosed 3.  Good information.

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Dwayne Cooney
Apr 08, 2019

Large enterprise end user here...

This is what I expect to see on every project. This is loosely based on my written standards that are provided to vendor's bidding on projects. You may find some of this useful for smaller jobs as well.

Pre-requisites to design:

  • Threat level and risk assessment (CPTED review)

Pre-requisites to tender:

  • Acknowledgement of internal installation standards
  • System design
  • Shop drawings
  • Scope of work
  • Storage calculations
  • Vendor/Technician certifications
  • Itemized proposal
    • Equipment
    • Software
    • Licensing
    • Labor
    • Rentals
    • Training

  • Service/Maintenance/Inspection proposal
    • Maintenance/inspection scope of work
    • Warranty start date
    • Warranty duration
    • Warranty details on equipment & software
    • Warranty service hours
    • After hours service hours & rates with minimum callout charges
    • Guaranteed response plan to system troubles and outages
    • Annual testing schedule
    • Software/firmware update plan

Upon project completion:

  • Documentation
    • As-built drawings
    • Testing & Acceptance results
    • System deficiencies
    • Known risks
    • Explanation of any deviations from specifications or scope of work
    • Device Host Names
    • Device I.P. Addresses
    • User permissions report
    • Manuals
    • End user training
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UI
Undisclosed Integrator #2
Apr 09, 2019

If you don't mind me asking, what size system are you addressing here, and what size are the projects you are taking on?

 

Do you have onsite staff that is providing some form of maintenance to where they need IP's, host names, etc?

UI
Undisclosed Integrator #1
Apr 09, 2019

Sure oh, anywhere up to probably 40 to 50 cameras.  I don't do much with Enterprise at the moment directly although I do support another system integrator who does.  I do all the networking for those Enterprise style jobs weatherby point-to-point or VLANs in the core for our stuff.

sometimes there are people there to support it from a handoff perspective and other times there's not.  I still like the idea of having documentation for anybody who might come in behind us for whatever reason.

Thanks gun for taking the time to reply.

 

 

UI
Undisclosed Integrator #1
Apr 10, 2019

Sorry... supposed to be "Thanks again", not gun.

I should never use voice dictation on my phone ever again, ugh.

UI
Undisclosed Integrator #1
Apr 08, 2019

Excellent - very well thought out.  I appreciate you offering it up.  I think elements of it fit perfectly for my use case.

It is hard trying to dial in what is not enough vs was it too much...

Thanks.

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