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Canons New 4 Million ISO 2MP Camera

This might be the new low light king.  I would be interested to see how well this compares to Sony's PRO camera. 

 


Good find!

The camera itself is not new, but the security mods, the (N) in ME20F-SHN , certainly are.

Any idea on price?

B&H has the ME20F-SH version for $19,999.00

At $10,000 per MP, it may be the most expensive IP camera ever. I am sure it has sharp images day and night but not sure where it really fits given its combo of super high price point and relatively low (daytime) resolution.

At $10,000 per MP, it may be the most expensive IP camera ever...

Not including thermal IP cameras, that is.  And depending on the application, it might be able to replace one.

So perhaps that’s an angle to justify the price...

Maybe as a thermal competitor, that's an interesting idea. The Sony 35mm / 4K camera, though, is already very good in super low light (and 4K during the day), at a fraction of the Canon's price, so I'd be curious to see how Canon pitches it. We'll know more next week and report back then.

It would depend on how the image is affected by weather. Thermal cameras can generally see through some amount of rain/snow/fog better than optical cameras. At some point, inclement weather will blind thermal cameras too, of course.

In security, thermal cameras are most often used in perimeter protection applications, where a major factor in determining costs-per-unit is coverage area (in square feet/meters, or length) that you can get with a single camera. Because you are often maximizing designs for coverage area, you naturally give up the ability to identify objects in the scene, potentially relying on some combination of human operators, PTZs and strategically placed optical cameras for getting identification-level images.

There would be relatively limited scenarios where this camera can replace 4 $5,000 thermal cameras (for example), and provide more than 4x the working coverage area in all conditions that the thermal cameras would be expected to perform in.

If you are less worried about thermal for distance, and using it more for the ability to "see in the dark", you could likely still buy a LOT of 940nm IR illuminators, plus a decent low-light camera, for less than $20,000.

Lastly, though it starts to become a rounding error, the $20,000 MSRP does not include a lens or suitable outdoor enclosure, which will drive up price by another $2,000+ in many cases.

This may be the most expensive 2MP camera ever but that doesn't make me want you test one any less :)

We saw this in some Milestone newsletters in the past week. We're talking to Canon about it now and plan to have some info next week. This week isn't the best for information gathering, unfortunately.

I have reached my allotted demo hardware allowance for the year.  Hopefully, IPVM hasn't :)   

This camera looks to have started out as a non-Ethernet "video" camera. Ethernet ports have been appearing on higher-end video cameras targeted to cinema applications (e.g.: Red ethernet cableCanon EOS C200Phantom Flex 4K). 

Canon is calling this a "Multi-Purpose" network camera, and also mentions that is has onboard analytics. It is a bit of an odd product overall, very expensive by surveillance standards, low resolution by current high-end cinema camera standards (most have been 4K for years). And positioned in their consumer products line.

Still, had I known about this a month ago, I might have altered my Christmas list :) 

I am not that familiar with Canon's IP camera line before the Axis deal.  Did those cameras have analytics in them or is this the first Canon IP camera with built-in Analytics? 

 

Here is the full spec:

ONVIF Profile

Profile-S, Profile-G

Intelligent Function (Video)

Moving Object Detection, Abandoned Object Detection, Removed Object Detection, Camera Tampering Detection, Passing Detection, Intrusion Detection 
Number of registration: Max. 15 
Non-detection Area Settings: Available

 

 

They've had analytics for awhile now, but I've never heard of anyone using them. 

The VB-H651VE claims all that, as well, for example.

any plans for ipvm to test Canon's ME20F-SHN with Sony SNC-VB770?

No immediate plans but maybe. #2, where do you see the Canon camera being used? Our main concern is how limited its use will be given the price but if we can better understand where it might be cost justifiable, more likely to test.

i do agree that with a pricetag like that, it is not for the general surveillance market. it seems to be targeting at niche market, where extreme low light environment is present, perhaps science/research and development? or border or coastal surveillance? am just curious how it superior it is as compared to Sony's.