IPVMU Certified | 04/21/14 08:49pm
<$75, tax & freight
When you say 'better', do you mean more expensive so you can make more money gouging the customer or?
Hi Brian, I did come across these. I just wasn't sure how sensitive they are. The 2 rooms are about 30x30' I was concerned that if they didn't walk right near one of these, the lights wouldn't turn on. Thoughts?
IPVMU Certified | 04/21/14 10:21pm
Undisclosed A Integrator,
How will that system differentiate between an intruder and the "regular" occupants on the premise?
Not knowing the intruders point of entry may make the integrated switch motions unreliable. As for distinguishing between intruder / staff, I don't see an issue if the lights turn on automatically for staff at night, may be convenient. I heard back from another distributor who recommended 'Insteon' They have a motion detector that wirelessly communicates with a wall switch. Sounds like a fit, just have no experience with this manufacturer. Anyone heard of them?
Why not just two outside light sensors near points of value. By using a two way switch you could also wire the switch to light a blue flashing light.
Sounds like more of job for ADT than ADI, no?
1. I'm trying to imagine what a day care burglar might be hoping to swipe? Graham crackers are only ~$2.79 at Walmart.
2. How long does the light stay on - and is a light enough of a catalyst to make them leave after already gaining entry (to set off the detector to turn the light on)? Depends on your level of sneak thief and the geographic location I suppose.
1) hand sanitizer, sad 2) the light could be left on for 30 second after no motion or 1hr, wouldn't make too much of a difference. The thief's are not sneaky, they're drinking hand sanitizer...
IPVMU Certified | 04/22/14 12:25am
you could do a zwave enabled alarm panel (such as 2gig go control) and a zwave enabled switches... set rules so when the doors open or a motion is tripped the lights will turn on...
IPVMU Certified | 04/22/14 02:29am
classic... I wonder if I could use that line with an inspector...
Install one of these. It’ll be the last box of graham crackers they take!
Don't know pricing but I've seen this compact little unit in action before from Bandit Solutions sold through ADI.
Retail Video demo
Having run a dive shop with regular High Pressure tanks blowing their burst disks, the deafening sound of the rapidly releasing gas alone causes extreme skid mark risk to ones trousers. Add the wailing alarm and the near instant white out conditions and I'd actually start getting worried about being sued by the burglars after they shattered bones leaving a Wiley Coyote outline in the wall as they ran through it (probably screaming like school girs).
Insteon motion sensor: ~$35: Amazon.com: Insteon 2842-222 Wireless Motion Sensor: Home Improvement
Insteon lamp module: ~$45: Insteon 2457D2 Lamp Dimmer Plug-in Module, 2-Pin - Use Insteon Hub with Alexa & Google Assistant - Plug In Dimmer Switches - Amazon.com
Insteon controller and powerline interface: ~$300: Universal Devices Home Automation Controller Smart Hub ISY994i INSTEON - Compatible with Alexa - Electrical Equipment - Amazon.com
You can also do wired light switches for about the same price (~$45), but as others have pointed out, the code issues of wiring them are up to you.
The modern Insteon stuff is dual-band (powerline and RF), so you won't need a phase coupler. The controller would provide some if-then login to receive signals from the motion detector(s) and only turn lights on at night, and also turn them off if desired after a period of time. All-in, you can probably do the same thing for 1/2, or less, of what ADI quoted you. And, you'd have a more flexibile system.
Yes, this is where I'm leaning right now. However, my distributor only quoted me the motions and switches. They said the controller is not required. Maybe I'll see if Insteon answers their phone.
Is there a reason you couldn't use a strobe instead of just turning the lights on? Not that I'm opposed to turning lights on on alarm (I think it's not done enough in intrusion systems), but strobes tend to give intruders more of a shock and awe effect and drive them out more quickly.
I called Insteon and they have said the motion detectors can talk directly to the switches (each to its own). So I've ordered 2 motions and 2 switches for a total of $150. I'll let you know what issues I run into and if it seems like a reliable solutions.
Thanks for all the suggestions.
I would tell that customer to phone an electrician as I am not allowed to touch 120VAC. I know how to do it, but I will not because I can not.
But that's just me.
Here's 2 simple solutions that will do the job.
Make sure that there is a network connection locally to the light.
[IPVM NOTE: Poster is from Netgenium]
Then option 1:(If using traditional lights) install 1 x IP Lighting Controller from Netgenium (ALC0808-IP) This can then be set up from the network to automatically turn on and off etc via a web browser set up menu. Connect the light circuit to the light controller. Connect 1 x PIR sensor to one of the multiple I/O terminals on the unit. Job done.Input activated then light on. No activation after a period of time = light off. Costs around $700 and the silly thing is that ADI sell them.(So do Anixter as well)
Option 2: If this is a new office build then just install IPPOE lights. (All lights are run from POE ports and no electrician required so it is a different design than normal) They are available and can have built in PIR detection. The good thing about these is that the software that runs them can associate lights with cameras to start recording etc. and even play pre-recorded messages from speakers on activation. So when the intruder walks in, a recorded message can play to tell him that the cops are on their way - or other more interesting comments. Also from Netgenium and the price depends on the type of light fittings you need etc. (Best go to Anixter for these though cos ADI just won't get what you are on about).