Wait, are you saying that Axis and Sony are qualified under either of these programs?
We had a discussion similar to this a few years ago. Both Arecont and Avigilon claimed they met these requirements at leas the less stringent one (Avigilon through some NAFTA provision).
I am going slightly off the subject now to answer this correctly.
First of all, this is a very good question from a patriotic person's point-of-view.
Why can't the customer clearly prove that he/she is a 'pure' American as well, not some sort of Eu decent with hybrid racial genes? Possible? I don't think so!
This is probably the most absurd post of all times on this forum.
By the way, the person who asked this should know we are in 21st century now, not 1st to not think global.
Not being familiar with the law but familiar with electronic components I have to assume there is some loophole allowing non-U.S.-manufactured components where no U.S.-manufactured components are available. There are many electronic components that are not manufactured in the U.S. period and have no possible substitutes. This would include most Integrated Circuits and sensors.
Just as I thought. Here are the relavent provisions of the Buy America Act
When one of the following exceptions applies, the contracting officer may acquire a foreign end product without regard to the restrictions of the Buy American Act:
- (a) Public interest. The head of the agency may make a determination that domestic preference would be inconsistent with the public interest. This exception applies when an agency has an agreement with a foreign government that provides a blanket exception to the Buy American Act.
- (b) Nonavailability. The Buy American Act does not apply with respect to articles, materials, or supplies if articles, materials, or supplies of the class or kind to be acquired, either as end items or components, are not mined, produced, or manufactured in the United States in sufficient and reasonably available commercial quantities and of a satisfactory quality.
- (1) Class determinations.
- (i) A nonavailability determination has been made for the articles listed in 25.104. This determination does not necessarily mean that there is no domestic source for the listed items, but that domestic sources can only meet 50 percent or less of total U.S. Government and nongovernment demand.
Folks, Arecont Vision cameras are assembled in Glendale Calfornia. Having said this no matter if the components come from China, Taiwan, Korea or where ever, as long as they have more than 51% of the overall product cost developed in the US they qualify for being made in America. Take into consideration develpment cost and Intelectual properties of the camera these costs are what normally take you over the 51% value added to achieve the made in America brand. I travel the world and people ask me Arecont's cameras are made in Taiwan right? I have to laugh at how un educated our industry is about where products are actually made. John you have been to Arecont's building you can verify that they are built in Glendale California.
Chesapeake & Midlantic | 02/12/14 04:01pm
Just to clarify- a 100% American designed, assembled, built, sourced, mined, etc, camera doesn't actually exist, right?
Maybe this was an isolated instance, but several years ago (for the national Social Security Offices competitive bid) cameras were deemed as exempt because they were considered to be COTS (Commercial Off The Shelf) hardware.
Apart from camera's. Don't you run into the same problem with monitors ? I thought that now-a-days all the components for them are all made in Asia ?
Eyez-On Camera: Over 50% made in US. What is your application?
Security Reps | 02/17/14 01:40pm
Pelco has recently made this claim and evidently documented it with a local county agency which removed our competitive initiative within that agency. COTS must have some effect as that is what we have used when promoting a Japanese trade compliant product manufacturer.
Chesapeake & Midlantic | 02/17/14 10:40pm
Just noticed that Dotworkz is very smug about their Buy American compliance, even claiming to have American built NVRs.
My final 2¢ worth:
I'm not going to debate Buy America versus Buy American but what I will make a final comment on is the notion expressed in the following quote: "For a product to be fully Buy America compliant, not only does the product need to be made in the US, but all of it's components need to be made in the US, and all of the materials that make up the components need to be made in the US."
Sir or Madam, you are asking for the electronic equivalent of unobtainium. There are just way too many components of a modern surveillance system that are not manufactured in the good ol' U.S.A. that your quest is impossible. I say again, even if the products are assembled here, there is zero chance of obtaining all of the components from U.S. sources. Semiconductors, capacitors, resistors, chokes and the like may or may not be manufactured in the U.S. but to build surveillance equipment, you need specific suitable components, many of which are not.
And even if the components happen to be actually manufactured in the U.S., they will almost certainly contain materials that are mined and/or processed outside of the U.S.. Take rare earths, used in semiconducter and other component manufacturing. Many of those materials come from overseas. Take a look at rare earths like gallium arsenide (GaAs) and germanium. China has been quietly obtaining a stranglehold on these materials.
For recording the video, you would need some form of storage. There are no hard disks nor, to my knowledge, SSD drives or even magnetic tape products manufactured in the U.S. That's none, as in Zero! Zip! NADA!
I believe that also applies to LCD panels, image sensors, etc.
So anyway, good luck on your fruitless quest.
70% does not equal 100%. And although the processor chip is made by TI, can you confirm it's made in Texas of all U.S. materials? Can you confirm the country of manufacture of all capacitors, resistors, diodes, transistors, chokes and any other components?
The US Federal Transit Administration (FTA), the agency behind the Buy America contacted us today about this discussion. They said they have been dealing with confused questions / statements from industry people.
Here's what they tell me:
- The 'component' is the camera. The parts of the camera (lens, imager, power supply, etc.) are the 'subcomponents'
- A camera can still qualify even if all the subcomponents are made outside the USA. What has to be done inside the USA is the 'manufacturing' / combination / assembly of those subcomponents. You may disagree with this philosophically but that was direct from the FTA.
- It is possible to challenge people making cameras in their basement based on quality issues. For example, the FTA might check / disqualify if the 'manufacturing' lacks sufficient electronic testing / shock testing / weatherproofing.
- FTA says Canadian companies are excluded from the FTA's Buy America. Sorry Avigilon.
- Non 'USA' made products can be exempted if they can prove that the quantity or quality of made in the USA products is insufficient.
FTA said their understanding that the other act (Buy America) had a similar definition of manufacturing (i.e., the subcomponents inside a camera do not need to made in the USA to qualify).
Hope this helps.
NOTICE: This comment has been moved to its own discussion: US Federal Transit Administration Explains 'Buy America' Act To IPVM
Scallop Imaging manufacturers all of our camerasin Boston.