I am still a subscriber. As an expert witness and industry analyst, I am often asked about IPVM and enjoy every chance I get to debunk their dribble drivel.
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Consultant Peter Goldring levels numerous ad hominem attacks (e.g., "clown", "losers", "windbag", "be a man", "blowhard", etc.) while refusing to substantiate his claims or provide any material evidence despite being asked by numerous participants. Goldring says this is good publicity for him.
God bless you! This would be one hell of a testimonial!
It would be if the people asking continued to pay attention to IPVM. They don't.
So once you set them straight, they stop paying attention to IPVM, do I understand that correctly?
Most question your credibility from the onset. I would say none that I know of have ever paid me for my time and continued to give you any credence.
I question your credibility since the word "dribble" is for balls. "Drivel" applies to the word diarrhea you spew.
The question to ask is who benefits most by anyone believing YOUR dribble..
In our industry mistakes and failures must be avoided. When security is at stake, there is a simple rule. If in doubt, don't. There are always other sources for almost everything, simply choose others.
As to those paying you for your advice, I suspect the more you continue your misinformation campaign the fewer paying clients there will be.
Eventually, even those sponsoring your spins will ultimately realize and decide it/you a bad investment.
Shame on you Peter.
How did you get so far off course?
Self-proclaimed expert witnesses usually aren't expert witnesses. The expert designation is earned. Not self-claimed.
Please, I do not want to debate what an 'expert' is :) recall Jeff Zwirn: IPVM, If You Had Appeared At Any Reputable, Qualified And Professional Organizational Event Venue, Your Outrageous Belief System Would Demonstrate How Much You Do Not Know
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the word is drivel, Pete
Indeed it is, undisclosed. Unfortunately I can't edit my post because wind bag blocks it. Seems like a pretty smart forum.
Do you ever feel the need to edit your responses as an "expert witness"?
Shut up and dribble!
Not sure what your comment means but telling someone of unknown gender to "Be a man" is, by definition, a sexist statement. I will admit to going for funny since there is so much name calling occurring in these Goldring threads.
can you name 1 specific piece of IPVM dribble drivel that you've debunked?
that should be easy, no?
now you are just deflecting, Pete.
what's one thing from that vast list of IPVM drivel that you've debunked?
I would think you'd have a Top 10 list at minimum. choose any one thing.
I'll bite, since I'm curious. (I'm not U#2, #3, or any others on this thread so far.)
What piece(s) of drivel have you debunked? If IPVM is miseducating people, it's important to get the truth out. Have you published anything that you could link to? Blogposts/white papers/articles? (No problems if you haven't published, but if it's something important you probably should.)
Explaining the points where IPVM is wrong is more useful to the world than saying "I've debunked their drivel" and refusing to elaborate.
I'm saying this because I'm genuinely curious, and this thread looks like it will just devolve into a typical internet spat.
However, I will go one step further. U#2 is asking for just one piece. I assume that if you've debunked time and again, you probably have a whole list. Can you mention as many pieces of drivel as you can remember off the top of your head?
I'll add my name to the waiting list asking you for specific examples.
I also would like to see specific examples of IPVM "dribble".
I find IPVM a very reliable source the enhances end-user decision-making
Are you sure you're not an Expert Hostile Witness"?
Peter Goldring, EHW
I can admit to being verbose, but Zwirn, Goldring, and his ilk make me look concise in comparison. Additionally they have to be self-aggrandizing with entire websites inflating their egos. Tell me, what have you guys been in the news for lately? Nothing? Are you still flailing about insignificantly while IPVM gets to be the iceberg that sinks the Hikuawei-tanic?
Robert, I don't think denigrating what Pete does for a living or how he does it is productive. plus it's not really fair to him in this debate.
the guy is clearly smart and learned in his field - and because he is primarily selling his years of experience to the market, I have no beef with his website nor membership in any of those groups that gives him letters after his name. from what I've seen of other consultants, it's kinda how they all do it.
my interest in this string was Pete's specific use of hyperbole that locked himself in a box from jump.
which, after helpfully pointing out Pete's mondegreen, is why I asked him for one example of IPVM drivel that he has debunked.
now, I admit that I am not being fair to Pete either by asking that question - because I'm only pointing out that he is in that box he made for himself vs actually expecting an answer.
I'm denigrating him for his ego and his attempts to call someone else a blowhard (and other ad hominems) out of projection. The extravagant self-promotion on his website worthy of any con-artist and charlatan. Where do we see that with the gracious host of this publication? This is the contrast that points to the content of their respective characters.
Robert,
In your capacity as an employee of IPMV, you just accused me of being a con artist in writing.
Thank you for demonstrating your gross incompetence and inexperience. Most importantly, thanks for wrapping up with a bow a cause of action against IPMV and you personally.
Again, you fail English. I said your self-promotion on your website is worthy of what con-artists do.
Why do white people always fail at English when a Chinese person is in the room? (PSSSST, this one's a joke)
ALSO, I DON'T WORK FOR HIM ANYMORE! YOU BLOODY IDIOT! I haven't in what? Over 2.5 years?
Jesus f-ing Christ. Your perceived IQ keeps dropping by the moment. You couldn't be bothered to read my LinkedIn? Wow. (No exclamation on purpose since I'm not really surprised) Are you that willfully ignorant of context clues?
In your capacity as an employee of IPMV
Robert has not been an IPVM employee for more than 2 years. You're an expert, right? You can just look at his LinkedIn profile or that he has the label of "Independent" under his name.
you just accused me of being a con artist in writing.
No, as an "expert" and "analyst" you know he did not accuse you of being a con artist. He alleged:
The extravagant self-promotion on his website worthy of any con-artist and charlatan
He accused you of extravagent self-promotion. It's an opinion, just like you can have a negative opinion of me or Robert, etc.
I disagree on the first part of your comment. He's not given any evidence for any point against IPVM he's made. His retort to many valid questions appear to be questioning the poster's credentials, straight-up name calling or insulting people for posting undisclosed.
In all of the comments on here, I see no genuine attempts to 'debunk' IPVM. I see many unwarranted insults being thrown by him. He has come here showing no respect to anyone, and he shouldn't expect any in return.
Pete, in all seriousness, I would be happy to hear what IPVM dribble / drivel you are specifically concerned about.
So far all I have heard is name-calling from you, e.g. "IPVM is nonsense" and "IPVM Is Run By A Bloviating Industry Drop-Out Who Couldn't Make It In The Main Stream."
I am fine with essentially being "roasted" by you but I am genuinely curious if you can share some substance to your critique.
Honestly, the best roast I ever heard about you is when Ari revealed that you are Waluigi!
"IPVM Is Run By A Bloviating Industry Drop-Out Who Couldn't Make It In The Main Stream."
As I get older, I get very suspicious about people who spend time to actively diss others, like this anti/parody IPVM group.
I mean, does it bring joy or money? For me, I try not to engage in anything that will bring only further stress.
Much, if not most of my revenue has come from referrals from people whom, honestly, I don't really get along with fantastically well at a personal level. In my opinion, Mr. Goldring needs to relax and just make money.
So you are self proclaimed expert? I get it, you have been asked to testimony at a few trials. I know all sorts of actual experts in this field. They are current and former LEOs. They have investigated actual cases and prepared evidence for DAs to prosecute. You sir are a hack. Do you accept funding from the PRC?
Exactly. Real experts don't go around trying to sell their expertise as a witness.
I am often asked about IPVM and enjoy every chance I get to debunk their dribble.
You state you are often asked, but you do not state how often you "debunk their dribble". Does this mean you don't get to debunk often? If I ask politely could you please give me a few examples of where IPVM are erroneous in their statements / conclusions. That is please give me a few examples of 'dribble'.
Also congrats on the massive membership of your Sign Up | LinkedIn linked in group. With 5 members you now have 0.0125% of the following that the dribbling IPVM has. Well done you!!!!
Add my name to list of interested in proof of debunked drivel. Love the "horns down" IPVM logo you did too, Pete, quite clever...
Can we vote this charlatan off the island?
I can't edit my original post, guess that feature is blocked. Certainly the word is drivel. You might notice the proximity of the letter b to the v on the keyboard. Spell check seems to have gotten the best of me. Maybe you could be a nice blowhard and edit that John. Or not, since you seem to just enjoy nonsensical rants.
For those who post anonymously, be a man and put a name to what you spew. I will gladly reply to any and all, but only if you share your identity.
Finally, as a leading industry consultant and expert witness, I cover dozens of manufacturers, companies and verticals. Because IPVM comes up in searches, bankers, VC's analysts and others have asked questions about them.
I have participated in an interview with John and found his behavior laughable and not worthy of calling himself a journalist. I have observed this behavior first hand with three other industry leaders. I have no respect for him as a source of information. His staff of ivy leaguers have about a minute of real world experience and lend nothing to the effort.
As for me sharing my reports, happy to, but I get paid for my advice. Here's a freebie, though. I was the first person to call Jeff He of HIKVision out on 9/2/2016.
I offer anyone here 15 minutes of free zoom or telephonic consulting. I have helped hundreds grow their careers and/or their business and enter new lines. Few can make high level introductions to major manufacturers like I can.
Nay sayers, keep spewing your bile. Want to be more successful? Hit me up.
You might notice the proximity of the letter b to the v on the keyboard. Spell check seems to have gotten the best of me. Maybe you could be a nice blowhard and edit that John.
Pete, seriously, what is with the continuous name-calling? "blowhard"?
I edited it to correct your error.
As for me sharing my reports, happy to, but I get paid for my advice. Here's a freebie, though. I was the first person to call Jeff He of HIKVision out on 9/2/2016.
Does that support your claim of "debunking IPVM's dribble drivel"? I don't see the connection. And how or what did you say about "Jeff He of HIKVision"?
I will gladly reply to any and all, but only if you share your identity.
Just making sure you see the list of people, including myself, posting above asking for you to substantiate your claims.
Here's a freebie, though. I was the first person to call Jeff He of HIKVision out on 9/2/2016.
Here's another freebie, there was already wide awareness of Hikvision, their funding, and their cyber security issues quite a bit prior to your callout, ex: March 2016 Hikvision "loophole" alert.
I have been in this industry for 10 years. I am well educated and I know bull shit when I read it. The above message is bull shit. IPVM doesn't take money. Strip all your bias away, that alone means they should be taken very seriously. I don't agree with all of the content they produce, however, give me another more trustworthy source that doesn't take money from manufacturers. I'll be waiting a very long time because it doesn't exist, sir. If you are serious about studying the industry, IPVM needs to be consulted. You do your clients a massive disservice by 100% disregarding their work. John's behavior should have no bearing on the content if the content is true journalism. In my opinion, IPVM showcases the power of the press by not taking money from anyone other than subscribers.
Ha Ha Ha! I work for a fortune 500. We have more PHDs than you have keystrokes on this thread. I would offer you actual advice but due to the damage already done here it would be a very expensive endeavor for you. My passport says I have been to China far more than you have and my speed dial says I know far more C level managers than you do. I would never post this as disclosed because it would make me look like a complete ass. I would agree to unmask and "be a man" if you agree to meet me in an MMA ring. I will pay for a licensed referee but you need to get your own gear as I am certain you have none of your own. No need for a cup......
How's life after HIK? Loser.
Did you seriously just call someone a "loser"? Why did you think this is a good idea to continue to call people names?
I know him. And he is one of the biggest losers
So you are triple/quadruple downing on name-calling?
For what it is worth and for the record, #5 has never worked at Hikvision so I don't think you "know him".
So anonymous isn't anonymous to you? How many anonymous posts are just you shooting your mouth John?? See, I didn't call you a blowhard, but people who post anonymously and people who run websites who claim people can post anonymously when they can't are BLOWHARDS.
So now you also don't understand website administration...
Anonymous with an account is still visible to the website admin. True anonymous posing would require that the forums be completely open to non-members which isn't ideal to the subscription model of the articles.
Please, stop demonstrating your continuing ignorance. It's exhausting to educate someone who's head is so far up their own rectum.
Also, do you want to take the L like a man for not noticing that I don't work for IPVM and that I did not call you a con-artist? Also you misspelled IPVM twice in reacting to me so now we can forgive you for being a bad typist. See? Not so bad to be a flawed individual.
You may not realize it but you really are making yourself look less than professional. True consulting is proof that you solved critical problems as needed, when needed. Not asking someone what time it is, stealing their watch and trying to sell it back to them.
Sometimes in these chats, we cant give out our identities due to our level of security within the government and or other reasons, such as Board Members, C-Level do not want to see their personnel in conversations such as these.
My experience is limited in that I only have 39 years in security. I am not a consultant but many companies have actually agreed with solutions that we proposed , installed, and been successful saving lives and dollars.
Best bet when you look this bad is to fold up your tent and go away, far away
I work at a publicly traded US company. We supply required widgets for things to work. We have exactly 1.5 competitors in our widget making and Hik/Dah can't function without these widgets. As a result they will give me the time of day, otherwise not so much.
Did you seriously just call someone a "loser"?
In all fairness, it was only after UM5 implied that Peter lacked a peter.
but you need to get your own gear as I am certain you have none of your own. No need for a cup......
You want to blame key proximity when it takes 2 "b"s to make "dribble" as opposed to 1 "v" to make "drivel". You forgot to also blame autocorrect, which would normally present you with options. In the end, it's a funny mistake that anyone can own and just let go.
However, someone with your blowhard pride can't admit that you just mistook the word as a lapse in mastery of English because it would tarnish your air of legitimacy via education. You have a stick up your @ss of the highest degree and you want to criticize someone else for being less than a legitimate source of information. So which is it? Are the perfect wordsmith on an ivory tower or a man of the people who can run cable with the little people like us?
It's hilarious that you care so much about your image and yet you want to tear down someone else's when they've directly contributed to so much more as a member of the industry. This isn't even a pot calling the kettle black in this situation.
You want to say that Honovich isn't worthy of being called a journalist, but his reporting is significant enough to contribute to the ejection of 3 Chinese manufacturing giants from our market. So who exactly is our industry's Walter Cronkite? The cronies at the other publications that are bought and paid for?
"I offer anyone here 15 minutes of free zoom or telephonic consulting. I have helped hundreds grow their careers and/or their business and enter new lines. Few can make high level introductions to major manufacturers like I can."
Peter Goldring, EHW
"As for me sharing my reports, happy to, but I get paid for my advice. Here's a freebie, though. I was the first person to call Jeff He of HIKVision out on 9/2/2016." Peter Goldring, EHW
I wonder where you got that idea...
By John Honovich, Published Aug 29, 2016, 08:00am EDT
Hikvision PRC China Government Origin And Control
Looks like John called out Hikvision publicly 4 days before your claim.
Well done! We should have Honovich change your designation to Undisclosed Memelord #1.
I have read this entire thing. I have checked his Bio on LinkedIn and have done research on this man and honestly speaking. I find narcissism brewing.
MY OPINION!
Anyone whos entire career has been based on being a President, VP, Chief or Senior Level only positions within this industry typically has only the experience of such. And can only be an expert at that and that alone. This by no means gives him credence where I am concerned on what being an industry leader actually means. Exert Witness for What exactly? For spreadsheets, cost analysis, OPEX vs CAPEX. Actually running a multi-million dollar business. I mean just based on your experience alone that you publish you could only be an expert witness on accounting, sales, business trends, marketing analysis etc. Your expert witness credentials would not hold of to scrutiny in a legal case based on the technology and how it works.
I will say this. Most of the individuals who actually are industry leaders don't say there industry leaders. Its a title given by there peers and typically speaking these individuals brush it off as non-sense.
Also expert witness is not an all encompassing title by the way. Just because you get a certification to be an expert witness doesn't actually make you one. Cause once you get cross-examined it will be found out rather quickly that your testimony is based on limited knowledge. During the cross examination its found out that most of these expert witness testimonials is based on your cert and no real world experience in how the technology actually works or can be manipulated. In fact typically speaking most expert witness testimony in the security industry has been thrown out due to this exact issue. Hence why no real industry leader wastes his time, energy or recourses to get such certification. Because the cert means nothing in the grand scheme of things other than adding more titles to your name. I realize in certain circles certs mean everything. But at the end of the day it doesn't prove your body of work. You know wins/loss column.
Now for the meat and potatoes of the issue.
When's the last time to actually dealt with a technology hands on for more than 10,000.00 Hours?
When's the last time to actually dealt with a city, county or state inspector for more than 500 Hours?
When's the last time you dealt with Customer Service / Tech Support for a manufacturer for more than 200 Hours?
When's the last time you personally POC (Proof of Concept) a specific technology or a specific part that said it could do something all over its spec sheets and marketing material only to find out that it actually doesn't do it. Cause guys like you and salesmen and marketing people will sell it all day long to a customer only to have people such as myself prove you wrong and now the customer is pissed and you end up blaming me or the manufacture for lying. When in the end you should never say something works until it has been POC'd by an COUGH COUGH COUGH!!!!!!!!!! an actual Expert! How many hours you say (My entire career) Tens of thousands of hours combating this issue. Never oversell and under deliver.
Look no disrespect but here's the truth of the matter. I started from the bottom and worked to the top. And in all my time in this journey I've found one major thing to be true. STAY IN YOUR LANE!
What does that mean exactly. Well what it means is. You should listen more and talk less cause you will learn more. Secondly Presidents, VP etc. normally don't talk about what your talking about because there to busy running companies and business's to have discussions with people on IPVM or anywhere else for that matter. I know I wouldn't as I would be having board meetings, Meetings with other VP's and presidents rather to sit down and talk about how you get the chance to debunk people. I would be to busy trying to make money for the company and to be specific continue to push towards 5 and 10 year goals rather than spend time debating anything for that matter. At this point in the career you not in a position to really debate but to perform.
You hire others like me who have the EXPERIENCE and KNOWLEDGE to perform this debate.
I actually think this is beneath you based on your position alone. But if you want to get OWNED by actual EXPERTS then I guess a glutton for punishment maybe your next certification.
You will always find someone smarter, faster, quicker, wittier. And always assume your not the smartest person in the room. Cause one day you may find yourself in a board room with an extremely knowledgeable stake holder and once you say the first thing wrong that raises his concerns you will now lose that giant deal.
I've also found out that the NEW YORK business idea doesn't work everywhere. Say anything to get the deal done mentality. I usually have to come behind you for double the money to fix it. So keep doing what your doing. I know the customer hates it but I love it. Cause not only do I get to prove you wrong like most of the sociopaths before you I also get double the money on the project and make a customer for life. So while you sold a job I double dipped and made a customer for life.
Sorry not sorry. But here we are!
How can you function as a license qualifier in the State of Florida when you are in New Jersey?
Disclose your name. Don't be a coward. I hold eight licenses and have an installation business that does work in select markets nationwide. Though Florida has no residency requirements, I do have a home there.
I have a driver's license and do well over a hundred million in revenue each quarter in this space in all countries that US laws allow. I also have a motorcycle license as well as a fishing license. (Freshwater)
Anyone that qualifies himself again and again in the same conversation is obviously insecure about his own experience and qualifications.
And before you reply with "undisclosed, blah, blah, blah", I post undisclosed because it protects the risk of a potentially career-ending post, much like the post that kicked this thread off.
I post undisclosed because it protects the risk of a potentially career-ending post, much like the post that kicked this thread off.
I gave you a Funny and an Informative - cuz it was a great slam. but I could not give you an agree.
not because Undisclosed posting doesn't provide a career shield for certain people from the potential you mention, but because this argument is historically only made here on IPVM by sole proprietors who can not fire themselves for their own dumb words.
I post undisclosed because it lets me post unlimited memes!
Corrected that for you.
I post undisclosed because it lets me post unlimited memes!
Well, there's that.
Over on LinkedIn, Peter is criticizing IPVM as well, specifically that our "tribunal appearance was nonsense at best":
Reminder: The topic of this thread is debunking IPVM's drivel. Please stick to that and refrain from name calling.
I am genuinely curious to hear real critiques of our research, reporting and analysis.
OK no more fanning the flames from my side. I am honestly interested to know what reporting is done in error here. We use the reports here to make decisions and try to better understand the ecosystem. I find the reporting to be of value and that is why I pay for a group subscription. So where are they wrong?
I’ll be direct… What is one example of drivel that you’ve debunked??
It is pretty funny. I have been in meetings, trainings, etc., and have mentioned something that IPVM has reported, tested, covered, etc. Or on a facebook group for slammers installers :) and people love the Hik, low cost, etc. I then mention something or back it up (NDAA, etc.) with info from a public IPVM article and people stop and think. As someone above mentioned, there is NO ONE ELSE in the industry doing what IPVM does. Sure the trade mags will have a piece that quickly discussed H.265 or licensing or 8k or AI, but to go to the depth of testing actual hardware from multiple manufacturers... No one. They will publish the good and the bad. They are not afraid to call out Axis or say that Hik did something good.
The fact that you are persuading bankers and VC shows that you are good at convincing people who don't know our industry or know it from the small consumer side where they want to sell their new AI cloud widget for $29.99.
But talk to a security director for a major retailer or a fortune 500 or a theme park or a data center, and then let's see....
lol.
Why would you possibly not disclose your identity if you're so passionate? John likes to blow hot air.
Why would you possibly not disclose your identity if you're so passionate? John likes to blow hot air.
You keep trying to call out undisclosed posters, but it's not like you're actually engaging with the ones who are not posting undisclosed. Your infatuation with undisclosed posters just looks like a deflection and an excuse to not deliver on your offer to provide details.
No, Brian. I am saying that John posts as anonymous and the sheep that pay for bad advice believe they are real people. Yawn. IPVM is lame.
Just because you're saying it does not mean it has any truth to it.
You made an offer to backup your claims to people who posted under real names. Myself, and several others, signed up to hear those claims, yet you have not followed through on your offer.
At this point everyone is aware that you cannot back up your claims. If you actually could somehow disprove IPVM on a broad scale you would have already done so here, and likely all over LinkedIn as well, it is clear from your posts that you have a strong desire to be validated.
Just the opposite Brian. I have a strong desire to debunk IPVM. It is a nonsense site run by a bag of hot air. The "anonymous" crap is the best. Just John boy posting. Smoke and mirrors.
I have a strong desire to debunk IPVM.
Yes, we know. The issue is that you can't do it.
Nobody has doubted your desire, just your ability.
You're resume is impressive. Ummm not
I'm going to wager that people are paying you to speak more than they are paying you to write?
Anyway, you got me, I'm some unimpressive nobody. I'm going to go study a bit to see if I can get myself to Peter Goldring levels of success and profit in the security industry.
Attaboy. Nothing is free. One day maybe people will listen to you. Good luck.
IPVMU bahahhhhhahhhh. Does that come with a free set of tools. Tool.
Alright you petty little numbskull, let's test your field knowledge. DeWalt impact driver or Milwaukee? Which one has the fatal flaw that's bad for being high up on a ladder?
The "anonymous" crap is the best. Just John boy posting. Smoke and mirrors.
Pete. c'mon, man.
1st of all, as others have already pointed out, nobody posts anonymously on a paid subscription site - how could we? Undisclosed to non-IPVM people does not mean anonymous.
and then you go hog wild and make a claim that everyone but you knows just is not true.
John posts as John and many subscribers like myself have the ability to post Undisclosed - so we utilize this option because we have this ability.
You make Biden seem smart. Anonymous posts make an already sketchy site lack any creditability. No one can tell what windbag is posting. That makes this site a sham.
your insult per sentence ratio is strong 1:1
you have offered nothing compelling. go away already.
There you have it folks! A Trumplican calling people names like "loser". It all makes sense now!
Add that to the goofy spelling/grammar errors, self-aggrandizing narcissism, lack of reading comprehension, etc. etc.
What is it you guys like to say about others? Oh yeah, "Sad!"
Him? My mentor? He couldn't reign me in and I was a potential liability. That and when I did temper myself, I didn't write simply enough for general media consumption. I also didn't crank out enough good article ideas. I was too much work to edit. It was back to the trenches of technical support and climbing ladders for me. I didn't cut my teeth at IPVM if that's what you were thinking
I, at least, can acknowledge my own weaknesses. What about you?
You can't even admit that you failed massively by assuming that I still worked for Honovich (I get that Trump lovers hate reading, that's why you didn't check my LinkedIn) or that you can't effectively comprehend what my diction presented to you. Hell, you even lack the empathy for normal every day people who want to post opinions on an industry platform without backlash from their employers or the industry at large. What makes you an authority on whether John is an effective journalist?
I'm a loudmouth, but at least I don't run around acting like some authority on anything. My job is to design, implement, and troubleshoot IT and visual surveillance systems for people. Git'er done and make it work. Embarrassing stuffed shirts from the industry is just a bonus.
I mean, according to Peter, John still owes me back pay probably! Lol.
You keep claiming that John is posting as various undisclosed people, but you have shown no proof, just like you won't answer the questions that you yourself posed. We have seen this in the news for the past year - people claiming to have evidence and sounding the alarm, screaming to everyone, using their position and self-importance, but never actually delivering anything. You think that you are helping your company and driving traffic, but come on. Wait until google spiders the conversation and we will see how your SEO looks.
I am saying that John posts as anonymous
No, that's not correct, I nor anyone at IPVM has posted anonymous nor undisclosed here. You are discussing with real people with extensive experience in the industry.
IPVM is lame.
And yet you are here, stoking the fire, offering ZERO useful information, gaslighting and deflecting and name-calling, only offering to offer substance if someone calls you and pays. LOL.
Clearly you are hurt that you didn't think of this or you can't actually contribute, as you enter the conversation like a pigeon. You swoop in, squawk and make lots of noise, crap all over the place and then fly away....
I’ll answer your question even though you haven’t answered mine. It’s simple. I’ve opted for anonymity because I don’t want to be personally attacked by someone who has shown a propensity to personally attack and publicly disparage people.
The name calling is juvenile. It doesn’t position you as an expert in your field or even as a professional.
If anything, your deflection just makes it appear that you are the one bloviating.
As discussed MANY times here on IPVM, it is because I have a membership from my company. I don't speak officially in my company's capacity. If I post disclosed, it could be taken as a statement from the company. I am posting as someone who has over a decade in the industry working for different 1st tier manufacturers.
-IPVM advances tje industry and contributes piercing articles
-All you do is write salty comments and form a cringy linkedin group to protest
-why do you have the same nonsense post-nominal as zwirn?
Might be the only way to get info out of Peter, at least for 1 hour.
Peter serious question.
Are you ok?
If you're really a manufacturer and you really put any credence in IPVM, I'm great. Thanks for confirming the fact that there are manufacturers with no clue which end is up. Makes my clients sleep better at night. Or are you just windbag John? Hmmmmm.
Yes am am truly a manufacturer that has a global view of a good part of this industry that you have zero understanding of. You don’t even know what you don’t know.
This is fun...
Add me to the list of named persons who would love to hear just one example. Perhaps my positive views of the journalism and education provided are misguided. Possibly my indoctrination as a "sheep" into the cult of IPVM was misguided, and maybe only your esteemed expertise can guide me from this dark path I'm venturing down. Help me Obi-Wan Kenobi. Your (/s) You're my only hope.
If you think IPVM is going to educate you, you're too far gone. But that's ok. The world needs trunk slammers. God speed.
Windbag John, did you leave Maui? Now Pennsylvania? What happened?? Subscribers dropped off?
Well you have been really convincing with your compelling testimony here.
Does Pete think this thread adds credibility to his reputation and business?
Can IPVM make this thread available to even those that do not subscribe?
I would love to see some marketing around this. What say you Pete?
new IPVM merch
As the poster of the original question, which answer became this thread, I must say, I am so glad I asked whether Pete is still a paid subscriber.
There is something very meta about a person paying for access to reporting he does not trust so that he can attack the publisher AND that publisher happily promoting his attacker(s) and engaging in the subsequent interchange with gusto, sincerity AND good humor.
Rather than make this thread free I think John should tweet out select portions and offer 1 week free trials to hook readers forcing them to pay in order to read the updated installments.
I know that IPVM is great for hosting drama... But let's not literally make that a selling point, shall we?
Just read through all of this. To be honest, it seems a little performative on the part of Nice Guy Pete here. A little song and dance for a targeted audience. Not sure who that is, but the vibe I'm getting is that he's putting on this show to be able to point to it later and say he 'took on IPVM'. Just a dude looking to build profile for himself.
Seems to me like he could benefit from Dale Carnegie course. Might just be me though.
what if Pete is actually.... John Honovich!
I just blew ALL YOUR !@#$ MINDS.
what if Pete is actually.... John Honovich!
and J.B. and A.K. and T.R. and M.C.
is that he's putting on this show to be able to point to it later and say he 'took on IPVM'.
And will leave out the last part....
"And lost."
Peter, I, like others have posted NOT UNDISCLOSED asking you for some examples of the IPVM dribble you say you have debunked. Apart from one off topic hik example, which IPVM reported on before you anyway, you have refused to give any real examples.
So once again I ask you, with genuine interest, please give some examples where IPVM has been factually incorrect. Just so you know it is not a lowlife trunkslammer asking to try to wind you up I will mention my credentials to you.
I don't normally do the appendage size comparison, but you mentioned your credentials earlier, so I figure it is OK for me to also, just so you know you are not talking to a wannabe trunk slammer:-
University - Electrical Engineering, over 30 years experience in the industry doing installs & service in just about every environment including, houses from dog box to mansions with over 180 alarm zones & 30 + cameras, garden sheds, shopping centres, banks, schools, cash handling facilities, power station, industrial sites, embassies & a military base. My work in this industry has taken me to 7 countries other than my own.
I have also worked in a graded central station
I have also done high end tech support in wholesale & also even been a state manager in wholesale. Every job I have had in the industry I have been head hunted for, I have never been out of work.
The fact that I almost certainly will not get an answer, probably just abuse I figure I may as well add the following, which was going to be a separate post.
This leads me to believe one of 3 things,
The person posting on here as Peter Goldring is not actually the real Peter Goldring.
or
The real Peter Goldring is full of solid bodily waste
or
Assuming it is the real Peter Goldring due to the damage that this thread will cause Peter Goldrings' reputation I feel that perhaps Peter may need some help. I did a little googling for you in your area, I hope it will help. Counseling Center | Freehold, NJ
I am not now, nor ever have been John Hanovich
Goldring has responded on LinkedIn saying I need to pay him for him to substantiate his accusations against IPVM:
My response there, copied below:
Pete, you've repeatedly made various criticisms of IPVM, numerous people have asked you to substantiate them, yet you continue to refuse and now you would like me to pay you to substantiate the public allegations you made. I am confident people will understand the type of person you are from your behavior in this exchange and will not ask you again about this.
Got it. So Peter took a bath in the recent drop in the crypto market and needs to drum up some additional business to pay his bills.
I will be getting into the consulting business also and just got my first client. But before we have our first consultation, I will need to get his billing address.
Here's the e-mail that I received from LinkedIn.
"Hey Carl,
We operate in the same market area and know some people in common.
Just trying to understand why you value IPVM.
Peter"
So, if I put more miscellaneous letters after my name, can I charge more?
I use to do this because it is a big part of the security industry culture. Between real-world experience, discussion with industry colleagues, and participating in forums like this, I learned the alphabet behind your name often doesn't mean anything.
What matters is real experience, knowledge, and talent... as well as how well you articulate that to end-users and others in your profession.
I removed my alphabet about a year ago because I can back up what I do and say through my work.
AMEN! I can't tell you how many times I've been given an RFP, or seen design drawings, from a "security consultant" that were utter garbage. The "consultants" generally have no clue on the real world implications of their designs. They are over-spec'd in multiples. i.e.
- PTZ's are not a great option for most users without dedicated security teams
- Most sites don't need 4k, 30fps
- Too many cameras (i.e. one looking down each hallway, when one well placed camera in the corner seeing down both hallways would suffice...or a panoramic), which causes additional time to review footage that most end users don't have time for.
- They never seem to remember that you need dedicated LPR cameras to get actionable evidence
- They also never seem to look at the landscaping plans...
- I could go on and on....
All in, the over-spec leads to ridiculously high quotes...of which the end user generally goes with the cheapest option (using inferior cameras that technically meet the spec).
Real world experience beats letters behind your name in many facets of surveillance, or at least the design/spec portion of it in my opinion.
Now, Goldring has switched tactics, saying he will pay to audit IPVM's subscriber numbers:
I've accepted:
We will see if he follows through on this but he is sure determined to do anything other than what he declared at the beginning, which was to debunk IPVM's dribble / drivel.
It'll ve* a wonder to see where the goalposts are moved to from this point.
* sorry b and v are very close on my keyvoard, you vlowhards wouldn't understand
Waiting for your reply, to very simple, media industry accepted accounting, Blowhard. Are you in? Doubt it.
This is quite the daytime drama! Looking forward to see the bad guy get his comeuppance! But really people, this name calling is really tiresome and childish in a public forum. Peter, if you don't like IPVM, don't visit the site or give it air! If you refuse to post anything that IPVM has reported in error, then this is a huge waste of time and energy, go do something productive. Oh and this is not John, just one of the more than 15,000 subscribers. Also could you tell me why it is that "The world needs more trunk-slammers?" I personlly hate servicing the work of trunk-slammers, not sure why the world needs them?
He's implying that the education on IPVM is only fit for trunk slammers and the world needs more of them because... he thinks somehow they make someone so "qualified" as himself look better?
Well, I missed this whole thread entirely Robert. I only saw it yesterday since what you posted appeared on LinkedIn. The thread has been very comical. The biggest observation was that for someone with all these credentials, there was more name-calling than substance. If this is what is to be expected from a complimentary hour of consultation, I'm not sure how valuable that is.
I say this Peter, as you have spent more time writing personal attacks than providing substance, which is funny, but a complete waste of time.
According to you Peter, I'm being a man and beating my chest (exaggeration) since I'm not posting undisclosed. Many have posted disclosed like Robert has and you have still yet to provide any substance to back up your wild claims. I can't believe you really think that John has that much time to post undisclosed with many different methods of speaking.
I checked out your website briefly. SSL certificates aren't that expensive:
I would remove the below photo from your website. That looks more like a trunk-slammer alarm panel install (I don't care if it's the norm; it shouldn't be) and it's on your home page. It's above the heading Security Risk Analysis, but it doesn't seem to relate to the image. You could have a perfectly installed device and still have a need for a Security Risk Analysis.
I get that you have all the fancy credentials in multiple states. Congratulations. Your bio is very interesting and it appears you have years of experience. However, that doesn't somehow give you a license to act like an asshole. Asshole points to your behavior on this thread and isn't necessarily pointed to you as a person since I don't know you outside of this thread and your website.
I would challenge you with this. Take all of the personal attacks that you have posted on this page (which is almost every post) towards individuals and add them at the bottom of your website home page and see how many clients like this sort of behavior. If clients like that sort of thing, you have the perfect clients for you.
Little Bobby! Nice to see you again. Up from nap time? Go read a book and let the grown ups speak!!
Now you think UM#5 is me? Wow, and it took you 2 whole days to answer with just a sad little ad hominem. Not even a good one. Here, let me teach you how it's done:
You want to be ridiculous and say I'm not even out of diapers, but I bet you're probably headed back to wearing them very soon. You want to play the age card, but you refuse to act your age... Scratch that, your age group is currently comprised of a majority of paranoid racists who are reverting into gullible children.
The last decent thing you did that was noted in his LinkedIn feed was walk to fight Alzheimer's. Then again that's because you have early signs of it. I don't ask demented out of shape old men to join me in the ring. I prefer a challenge, not a brittle punching bag.
In all honesty though, UM#5, try to keep it classy. This man is already being murdered enough by words and his own lack of verbal competence. Why take it outside the scope of our profession? Also, jokes about genitals are really... not helpful. There are plenty of other more topical ways he can be reamed about.
Now that's funny! Almost as funny as paying a subscription for this site. I'm sure if blowhard agrees to an audit it will reveal not even close to 15,000 paying members.
Are you trying to kill your career? Do you know how the internet works?
No, he believes you are John Honovich, and the only people seeing these posts are him and John, and anyone that posts disclosed simply doesn't matter. The way he is crafting his responses is similar to many of the trolls in the YouTube comments. I saw the thread on LinkedIn.
John, are you able to confirm that it's actually Peter Goldring writing these responses? I almost don't believe someone in the industry with these credentials and connections is responding so much like a child.
Have faith, Kyle. Hono-the-clown is well known among the people who lead the industry. I'm just the one who plans to make this site go away. Hono-the-clown, why haven't you answered my message with the audit details?
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John, are you able to confirm that it's actually Peter Goldring writing these responses?
Yes, and he is saying the same type of thing on LinkedIn, e.g.:
And he just responded to me via email:
Woah guys!! I just unraveled the whole Scooby-Doo level plot!
JH isn’t posting as UD#X!!! He is posting as PETER!!!
I am waiting for you to be a man and meet me in the ring. Beta males like you always avoid an honest exchange.
so your game is to try to pollute your target as much as possible.
you fail
"Fake news"? Are you morphing into Mike Lindell on us? Is that why you're clamoring to audit IPVM? Really? Did you not see how that worked out in Arizona?
Fisticuffs fail to force fuming fat f***wits to face the fact that their fury is feeble.
So we're good on the terms I sent over to audit IPVM and verify "15,000 paid members" John blowhard?
I can not imagine what your end game is, dude.
I see zero upside to what you are doing.
I guess that's why you're undisclosed and don't really understand this business. Share who you are or crawl back into your hole.
Wow what a shit show. This dude can’t be for real? I feel bad for the real guy that had his identity stolen and had his name drug through the mud like this. It’s going to be hard for him to explain this nonsense to his clients and still retain an sense of “expertise” after this. John, you should consider locking or deleting this thread to help this guy save any sense of respect he might still have due to this obvious imposter.
Jon, you seem to have a lot of experience. Eight years. Wow. No one here has any real experience to drag me or the other experts who John the clown has tried unsuccessfully to discredit. Do you pay for this nonsense site or are you comped? Clown hasn't accepted the terms of an audit. Maybe you can inspire him.
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While I do have more than 8 years of experience, that is not really important here. What is important is this Peter guy has obviously been hacked and whoever you are posting in his name should be ashamed of tarnishing this man’s name.
I can assure you this isn't his first time around losing his **** about IPVM. Read this: "IPVM Is Run By A Bloviating Industry Drop-Out Who Couldn't Make It In The Main Stream."
"comped" - Is that what you're getting at with the 15,000 subscribers thing? If comment upvotes are counted as 35 cent credits toward membership renewal, is it your opinion that accounts that receive such credit are not subscribers? Just trying to figure out where you're going with that.
Full disclosure: I haven't had to pay since the initial subscription thanks mostly to comment credits.
This article should be made PUBLIC at once.
So that any future prospective clients of Mr. Goldring who do even minimal vetting will get an accurate picture of who they are dealing with.
#SEOisabitch
Projected results from Google search for Peter Goldring after article is made public:
You are one smart consultant, I’ve got to admit :)
I have to admit, I was starting to wonder if this was some madcap scheme borne from a deep-seated frustration of living in the shadow of a Canadian Ex-Politician in the Google search results. Seems like the sort of thing that would really get under his skin.
This cannot be for real!
Since he keeps mentioning how much/little experience people have, how about when people post, they mention how many years experience they have, or how many different VMS they support, or roughly how many systems they have installed. My guess is he will come close to 0, while the actual installers, PM, designers, etc. will have stats to prove.
So......... How is the audit coming along?
Our last communication from him was Monday night:
"Looking to have the audit under way by end of week," so we are standing by for now.
If Peter G is found to be incorrect in his assessment of paid subscribers, what shall is the penalty be? Public shaming here, or shall part of the agreement be that he must post a retraction/apology here and on LinkedIn?
Me thinks Peter Goldgring is Comrade Squealer come to life!
One can only assume that JH has really upset the PRC surveillance arms and this is part of the beginning of whatever they have planned against him and IPVM. I think it will only get weirder from here.
The theatre of this is wonderfully entertaining, but I hope you are taking extra safety precautions, JH. PRC is a cunning and dangerous foe. They are not above trying to make you disappear if they can't discredit you.
God Bless!
-Dale
He very well could be bought and paid for.
If you were a manufacturer with your back against the wall, using/paying a self proclaimed security industry “expert witness” to attack the credibility of the loudest voice would be a good strategy.
I don't believe there is any connection between the PRC and Peter Goldring. There are plenty of "leaders in the industry" as Goldring likes to call them that are unhappy with IPVM with various reasons to want to criticize us.
I aim to take their criticisms on the merits, if they can produce them, which Goldring has, to date, been incapable of delivering.
Actually... no. In Peter's defense, I don't think this has anything to do with the Hikuawei ban. This probably is closer to jealousy or something that he holds as a grudge based on a very old article that was (to my view) mostly neutral to him. Honestly, I don't even know what triggered his disdain for IPVM, but he's had a negative view of it and John Honovich from the get go.
Good point on the safety precautions Dale.
I would think the Chinese have other targets much higher on the list (no offense John) to whack before they would go that route but certainly would not hurt to strengthen the IT security at IPVM. For all the employees personally as well.
Honestly, IPVM, I'm not subscribing to have an e-mail about such a low conversation.
I don't know the guy or others and don't care what they say or not.
I'm here to learn about the market, competitions, and products, not because I'm bored.
I hope you have my attention to that...
Moti, you can choose from 7,300+ total articles and 50+ new ones each month. Many were people were interested in this "low conversation", if you are not, skip it and read our various reports or other discussions.
Why is it always someone with a massive string of obscure certifications that starts these battles? The people who start these forum wars seem to have a very distinct profile. It is almost as if you could go through form threads, find someone who has 2 or more commas in their profile title, and just assume they will be broken out into 20 separate threads in the near future.
The Linkedin profile is even more painful with every one of these. I cannot imagine the time it takes to list every certificate or certification received from an ADI expo, seminar attendance, etc.
Down to the last person these "expert" trolls always throw down some gauntlet for a completely irrelevant topic. Zwirn wanted an industry debate, Goldring wants an audit, etc. I know if I get into an argument with John about the state of industry I am challenging him to medieval joust to prove... something?
I am challenging him to medieval joust
When, where and how much are you selling the tickets to it for?
Medieval joust? If there will also be giant turkey legs and mead available I am down to attend!
This is very sad to see, I always believed internet trolls were losers with no job. Apparently I was wrong, it's clearly possible to turn being an internet troll and a loser into a job if you're good enough at both.
Well, Goldring lists himself as President of 2 companies on LinkedIn, though both only list himself as an employee, e.g.:
How big those companies are is unclear.
we are all approaching thanksgiving and the holidays. it is time for everyone to thank their friends, family and customers for everything. Everyone should be able to get along in the sand box people. lashing out at anyone is not beneficial.
Disclose your name or I won't accept your statement... Oh wait, I agree... Happy Thanksgiving Everyone.
As a friend of mine said recently: On Thanksgiving, we get together with friends and family, express our gratitude, eat as much as we want, watch football, and then eat a bunch of pie, and all that eating is socially acceptable.
WHY DO WE ONLY DO THIS ONCE A YEAR
22 Minutes: Peter Goldring’s Spy Pen - Bing video
Are these Peter's related?
There's no evidence that Peter Goldring of New Jersey bears any relation to the former Canadian MP Peter Goldring of Alberta.
It would explain a lot, actually.
The Canadian MP’s have been after John for some time…
Why would Peter take the time to try and make John look bad?
"Jealousy". or Maybe someone disagreed with Peter as a consultant and pointed out something different from IPVM. Upset Peter, that wasn't John's fault.
John Honovich had the vision to start this company and even though I don't always agree, I respect what he is doing today and have found myself on both ends of being right and wrong on topics. I don't see John saying he is an expert but I do see him providing a much needed service in this industry.
"We are remembered for what we do in life, not what we said we told ourselves and others we did."
I have read this entire thing. I have checked his Bio on LinkedIn and have done research on this man and honestly speaking. I find narcissism brewing.
MY OPINION!
Anyone whos entire career has been based on being a President, VP, Chief or Senior Level only positions within this industry typically has only the experience of such. And can only be an expert at that and that alone. This by no means gives him credence where I am concerned on what being an industry leader actually means. Exert Witness for What exactly? For spreadsheets, cost analysis, OPEX vs CAPEX. Actually running a multi-million dollar business. I mean just based on your experience alone that you publish you could only be an expert witness on accounting, sales, business trends, marketing analysis etc. Your expert witness credentials would not hold of to scrutiny in a legal case based on the technology and how it works.
I will say this. Most of the individuals who actually are industry leaders don't say there industry leaders. Its a title given by there peers and typically speaking these individuals brush it off as non-sense.
Also expert witness is not an all encompassing title by the way. Just because you get a certification to be an expert witness doesn't actually make you one. Cause once you get cross-examined it will be found out rather quickly that your testimony is based on limited knowledge. During the cross examination its found out that most of these expert witness testimonials is based on your cert and no real world experience in how the technology actually works or can be manipulated. In fact typically speaking most expert witness testimony in the security industry has been thrown out due to this exact issue. Hence why no real industry leader wastes his time, energy or recourses to get such certification. Because the cert means nothing in the grand scheme of things other than adding more titles to your name. I realize in certain circles certs mean everything. But at the end of the day it doesn't prove your body of work. You know wins/loss column.
Now for the meat and potatoes of the issue.
When's the last time to actually dealt with a technology hands on for more than 10,000.00 Hours?
When's the last time to actually dealt with a city, county or state inspector for more than 500 Hours?
When's the last time you dealt with Customer Service / Tech Support for a manufacturer for more than 200 Hours?
When's the last time you personally POC (Proof of Concept) a specific technology or a specific part that said it could do something all over its spec sheets and marketing material only to find out that it actually doesn't do it. Cause guys like you and salesmen and marketing people will sell it all day long to a customer only to have people such as myself prove you wrong and now the customer is pissed and you end up blaming me or the manufacture for lying. When in the end you should never say something works until it has been POC'd by an COUGH COUGH COUGH!!!!!!!!!! an actual Expert! How many hours you say (My entire career) Tens of thousands of hours combating this issue. Never oversell and under deliver.
Look no disrespect but here's the truth of the matter. I started from the bottom and worked to the top. And in all my time in this journey I've found one major thing to be true. STAY IN YOUR LANE!
What does that mean exactly. Well what it means is. You should listen more and talk less cause you will learn more. Secondly Presidents, VP etc. normally don't talk about what your talking about because there to busy running companies and business's to have discussions with people on IPVM or anywhere else for that matter. I know I wouldn't as I would be having board meetings, Meetings with other VP's and presidents rather to sit down and talk about how you get the chance to debunk people. I would be to busy trying to make money for the company and to be specific continue to push towards 5 and 10 year goals rather than spend time debating anything for that matter. At this point in the career you not in a position to really debate but to perform.
You hire others like me who have the EXPERIENCE and KNOWLEDGE to perform this debate.
I actually think this is beneath you based on your position alone. But if you want to get OWNED by actual EXPERTS then I guess a glutton for punishment maybe your next certification.
You will always find someone smarter, faster, quicker, wittier. And always assume your not the smartest person in the room. Cause one day you may find yourself in a board room with an extremely knowledgeable stake holder and once you say the first thing wrong that raises his concerns you will now lose that giant deal.
I've also found out that the NEW YORK business idea doesn't work everywhere. Say anything to get the deal done mentality. I usually have to come behind you for double the money to fix it. So keep doing what your doing. I know the customer hates it but I love it. Cause not only do I get to prove you wrong like most of the sociopaths before you I also get double the money on the project and make a customer for life. So while you sold a job I double dipped and made a customer for life.
Sorry not sorry. But here we are!
Oh and by the way I do have actual real experience in real security. Sorry but installing alarms and intrusion as a president since 1982 doesn't make you an expert it makes you a glorified narcist. You know how many guys I've met with your credentials and very few of them are saying what your saying. Alarms and intrusion as a President since 1982 and your an expert in the entire industry?
I'm sorry but I don't think so. This industry has changed so much since then. Most of us don't even bat an eye at alarms and intrusion and we haven't since 1999.
This guy has 38 years of telling everyone how awesome he is rather than being awesome
This guy has 38 years of telling everyone how awesome he is rather than being awesome
Wait... why didn't someone tell me 20 years ago this is a valid career option!?! It is we who are the fools!
LinkedIn info And none of this makes you an expert in the security industry. In fact I dare say it makes you more of an expert towards the fire industry. But hey this is what you publish on LinkedIn not my words. But again what makes you any of an expert in this industry again?
Having grown up in the electronic and physical security industry, with 38-years in regional, middle market- and national- businesses, I have extensive experience in executive, technical, operational and financial management. My consulting firm focuses its practice on central monitoring stations, best practices, standards and security business operation and valuation and offers highly specialized expert witness services. I have arranged debt and equity financing, negotiated and executed more than 50 acquisitions representing buyers and sellers. I have been engaged as crisis CEO, COO and CFO for various service and manufacturing businesses and have a track record of successful outcomes. I am committed to volunteer work and philanthropy. I have served on the executive board of a large New York synagogue. I am an avid supporter of industry associations and am a member of ASIS, SIA (serve on its Executive Council), TMA, ESA, NYESA, NJESA, CASIA, MBFAA, ALOA, AFAA, NYFAA, ALDONYS, ACFE and NFPA. I am NICET Certified (SET) in Fire Alarm System Systems Level I, II, III and IV, Certified Fraud Examiner (CFE), licensed locksmith in New York City, FDNY Principal Certificate of Fitness holder: S78 Cleaning and Testing of Smoke Detectors, S97 Fire Alarm Systems, Inspection, Testing and Service, B03 Company Approval and Testing of Auxiliary Radio Communication Systems and R01 Expeditor Principal. I am a New York State Fire and Security Installation License Qualifier, New York State Licensed Private Investigator, qualifier as a New York State Watch Guard & Patrol Licensee and am an Approved Instructor for Qualifying and Continuing Education for Fire and Security in New York and New Jersey. I hold a New Jersey State Burglar Alarm, Fire Alarm and Locksmith License, Connecticut C5 Limited Electrical Contractor License, Florida Certified Electrical Contractor I License., Delaware Fire Alarm License and a South Carolina Burglar and Fire Alarm License. I am a licensed Philadelphia Fire Alarm Inspector, NYS Emergency Medical Technician and hold New Jersey Firefighter I, Fire Officer and Hazardous Material certifications. I serve as a Volunteer Firefighter at Adelphia Fire Company (NJ), and am a member of the Howell Township (NJ) Office of Emergency Management.
The loudest person in the room is generally the weakest...especially when they need to resort to name calling to make a point. Be better.
In my limited 30+ years of experience in the field (not in the business) I was taught early on that there is no such thing as an “expert.” That said, I was recognized by a federal court as an expert in a very specific field and have acted as a Subject Matter Expert for national high-level policy discussions/creation. Only state this not for self-promotion, but to establish the fact that it was an external entity that recognized my experience.
Assuming, Peter, that your CFE (I too am one) title is from the ACFE, your statements/posts are in violation of the CFE standards of conduct: “Certified Fraud Examiners shall not commit acts discreditable to the ACFE or its membership, and shall always conduct themselves in the best interests of the reputation of the profession.”
I found your ad-hominem responses to be offensive (both professionally and personally) and just plain wrong. Additionally, it would appear that you are unable to fulfill one the most basic aspects of a CFE, which is to approach all cases without bias.
Posting undisclosed for reasons stated elsewhere on this thread.
Yes. Very well said indeed.
I have been in public safety and IT/physical security systems for 40+ years in various roles. Haven't had a certification since I was a professional Advanced Life Support paramedic which required regular recertification. I am pleased to hear that there are CFE standards of conduct and this behavior would seem to violate those standards.
Others have called me an expert in some areas. My long held definition of Expert is... X is a mathematical term for an unknown and a Spurt is a drip under pressure so an Expert is "an unknown drip under pressure."
Ok, figured it out.
Goldring’s plan is to say as many idiotic things as possible to the widest audience to provoke a enormous number of responses, currently > 200, most with big time upvotes for the anti-Goldring team, creating a massive bar tab for J.H.’s vote payout system!
Although, if we are really just John puppets, John is only drinking his own booze and Goldring gets stuck with the reputational hangover nonetheless…
WAIT! WAIT! WAIT! The upvotes can be exchanged for booze?! These threads alone brought me back into the top 5! I'll be real disappointed if the next time I see John Honovich and we aren't all there Cheers style getting drunk off of our asses!
Hell, we need to invent some drinks up in here based on IPVM in-jokes!
Hi John - you must be John because according to Mr Goldring all undisclosed are John. I have given you an upvote for the bar tab.
Peter - I am not now, nor have I ever been John Hanovich.
FIRST OF ALL : To IPVM, JH, and all of the 15,000 plus readers that I feel certain pay for subscriptions to this publication I would like to wish you ALL a wonderful, safe, and enjoyable Thanksgiving holiday and weekend!
To the IPVM staff, in spite of your critics, I believe that the true test of whether a service is provided is by the number of people who continue to subscribe to that service. In the Security and Fire industry, 15k subscribers paying around $200 a year would be a good revenue stream, and worth around 20 million dollars. Corporate memberships pay much more, so the 20 million valuation may be too low. The best and most valued consultants are easy are those whose experience is proven by their individual success in their area of expertise. One very excellent test and measure of expertise is the financial value of an entity they operate or run. Another validation is when that Financial value is combined with continued loyalty and growth. IPVM has proven itself in both ways, by setting out to do what has not been done by others in the industry. This is a true test and validation of professional success, in this or any industry. There are some who may be jealous. Instead of attacks without merits, compete by creating superior ideas, services, and results.
IPVM has over the last 5 years not played it safe. In fact they have made some serious enemies by bringing to light issues that our industry needs to address. We are after all in the Security and Safety business. It is a serious responsibility. We, like other professions are expected to provide direction, designs, and advice that are based on truth and have a responsibility to be as accurate as possible. In fact, like other professional industries we have to have obtain Errors and Omissions insurance to protect ourselves and our clients and assure we keep our clients best interests at heart.
Of course, as more investment has come into this industry, so have investors that are not concerned about or even realize they have a responsibility to do what is right. Their only motive is to create the best bottom line.
For this industry to stay on course, and provide the services required, objective reporting is necessary. Being open to the ideas of others with which we may not agree is not easy, but I believe John and his staff have done and continue to do a good job. They seem to learn from their mistakes, and a wise man said that the wisest man is the one whom learns from his mistakes.
The wonderful thing about the US, is that it is a free country, and if we don’t like something we don’t have to purchase it. We can speak our mind, and express our concerns. We can cancel a subscription. Something you can see in reading exchanges on this publication, and also in all public discourse is that when someone has no adequate answer for a challenge, they typically resort to misdirection, personal attacks, or even slander. Making statements or personal attacks without any substance or supporting evidence.
You might remember this happening in the elementary school yard. When someone had no good response to a statement or criticism, they would resort to a personal attack like “your mother has cooties”. It was an immature distraction that attempts to redirect others from logic and truth to bye creating an emotionally charged attack. The result then would be that all parties to forget the original point or truth that was being presented. No one should be afraid of the truth, it is after all an opportunity to learn.
Today and over the last few years it has become clear that there have been tremendous betrayals of trust. US integrators have been willing to or perhaps unknowingly sell products which may endanger their clients and even their own countries’ security. Security and safety products providing a useful service yet are like the trojan house, which hid inside a covert and malicious purpose.
Our industry and government should be excited and overjoyed to have these things discovered, brought to light, and stop them dead in their tracks. I believe by far the majority of the industry are happy, but also angry at the betrayal from manufacturers they had placed their trust, and their clients safety.
However those behind these actions are upset and an angry to have been found out. There plan a dangerous long game that requires concealment, misdirection and delays in order that they can retool, and create workarounds to allow them to continue their treacherous plans. They use financial influence, hire consultants, encourage their resellers to defend them, and hire attorneys to say anything possible that may cause confusion, deflect attention, and buy them time to redirect their efforts through other channels.
Publications supported by advertising dollars have a hard time maintaining objectivity since pointing out issues with a manufacturers products tends to discourage them from placing advertising dollars in the hands of their critics. Without enough advertising, no publication, or a very weak publication is the result..
I have only been a subscriber for a little over a year, and find the product reviews accurate, honest, and helpful. For over 50 years we have relied on Industry shows, visits with manufacturers, technical training programs and conversations with other industry business owners and their managers to add to our own 50 years in this business. With industry shows not being as wise to attend due to the CV19 issues, a publication like IPVM that provides objective reports, combined with industry virtual shows and seminars helps fill in that industry show gap. Also they can be attended when convenient, and revisited if needed. Of course our customers are often our very best source. In fact, the better we are understanding their needs, the better choices we can make in creation of services, products, and solutions that provide true value.
If we understand and do a good job meeting their needs, no marketing or sales efforts are required. Referrals become our major and eventually our only source of clients. When talking to some of our most successful clients, we find their customer acquisition cost is often ZERO due to growth resulting entirely from referrals. Providing excellent services results in new business with no marketing or sales cost. For those companies, all of their time and resources are invested in delivering services and meeting the demands of consistent and steady growth. This is especially true in the RMR based industries.
When someone sets out to ‘take down’ a company it serves no purpose, unless that company somehow is interfering or harming them in some way. So the question that needs to be asked, is WHY would someone be an enemy and want to spend time and energy discrediting someone who is doing their best to present the truth, and always opens their reports to public discussion, even if it results in harsh and unjustified criticism? Who does it serve?
I am afraid the answer is obvious. Poke the bear, or in this case, the “dragon”, and be prepared an angry flaming response when that reptile feels the pain of truth. It happens, and is happening more and more over the last few years. The good news IPVM, is that you are not alone. The 15,000 plus subscribers you already have, include some powerful and influential allies who can and do pitch in by encouraging others in the industry to subscribe. To increase that group, additional free subscriptions could be provided to all State and Federal Government legislators, as well as all agencies whose responsibilities include the Security and Safety of the Nation and it’s citizens. They rely on outside sources for information, and yours can be a great resource. Just a thought.
So I would like to say to John and the IPVM Staff …. GREAT JOB doing the hard thing, and being willing to be unpopular with those who want to hide the truth. The industry, and your subscribers throughout the world appreciate it, and show it each time they renew their subscription.
John, it is our prayer that your publication will be blessed and not only thrive, but reach a level of growth you never thought possible. Keep up the good work!
And to all of you who reads or participate in this publication, and to all of your your friends and families .. may you have have an incredible, wonderful, and SAFE Thanksgiving Weekend !
Maybe this expert wittiness person, Peter Goldring, gets a retainer from China to rubbish IPVM? Just a thought.
Expert witt i ness is right. The man is a joke. I see IPVM quoted by governments and journalists on a regular basis. Ask any of them who Peter Goldring is and you will get a blank stare.
It would track that the PRC is funding him. He does seem to be reading from the HikVision playbook. We know who funds IPVM, we do!
We are in dangerous times when long time members of our industry not only ignore Security risks, but encourage others to do so.
It is even more disappointing when network security and personal privacy throughout the world is at risk.
Fortunately no one other than his sponsors would believe the misinformation he is disseminating.
The good news is that he is clearly on record, and everyone is free to decide what is true.
IPVM has repeatedly established their credibility with many years of reliable and verifiable information, combined with providing an open forum for discussion. All of which is on record.
Honesty and Integrity is demonstrated and verified over time for all to see.
Ask questions and get answers to your physical security questions from IPVM team members and fellow subscribers.
