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Peter Goldring: "As An Expert Witness And Industry Analyst, I Am Often Asked About IPVM And Enjoy Every Chance I Get To Debunk Their Drivel."

I am still a subscriber. As an expert witness and industry analyst, I am often asked about IPVM and enjoy every chance I get to debunk their dribble drivel.

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Consultant Peter Goldring levels numerous ad hominem attacks (e.g., "clown", "losers", "windbag", "be a man", "blowhard", etc.) while refusing to substantiate his claims or provide any material evidence despite being asked by numerous participants. Goldring says this is good publicity for him.


God bless you! This would be one hell of a testimonial!

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It would be if the people asking continued to pay attention to IPVM. They don't.

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So once you set them straight, they stop paying attention to IPVM, do I understand that correctly?

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Most question your credibility from the onset. I would say none that I know of have ever paid me for my time and continued to give you any credence.

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I question your credibility since the word "dribble" is for balls. "Drivel" applies to the word diarrhea you spew.

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Peter Goldring ( HERO OF THE STUPID)!

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Self-proclaimed expert witnesses usually aren't expert witnesses. The expert designation is earned. Not self-claimed.

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IPVM deprogrammer 🙃

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the word is drivel, Pete

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Indeed it is, undisclosed. Unfortunately I can't edit my post because wind bag blocks it. Seems like a pretty smart forum.

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Do you ever feel the need to edit your responses as an "expert witness"?

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Shut up and dribble!

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Why block your name? Stand up and be a man.

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Shut up and dribble!

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Congratulations on your "certification". Use your name. Be a man.

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Sexist

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wow, really ?

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Not sure what your comment means but telling someone of unknown gender to "Be a man" is, by definition, a sexist statement. I will admit to going for funny since there is so much name calling occurring in these Goldring threads.

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Heteronormative

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can you name 1 specific piece of IPVM dribble drivel that you've debunked?

that should be easy, no?

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Happy to. Just disclose your name.

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now you are just deflecting, Pete.

what's one thing from that vast list of IPVM drivel that you've debunked?

I would think you'd have a Top 10 list at minimum. choose any one thing.

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I'll bite, since I'm curious. (I'm not U#2, #3, or any others on this thread so far.)

What piece(s) of drivel have you debunked? If IPVM is miseducating people, it's important to get the truth out. Have you published anything that you could link to? Blogposts/white papers/articles? (No problems if you haven't published, but if it's something important you probably should.)

Explaining the points where IPVM is wrong is more useful to the world than saying "I've debunked their drivel" and refusing to elaborate.

I'm saying this because I'm genuinely curious, and this thread looks like it will just devolve into a typical internet spat.

However, I will go one step further. U#2 is asking for just one piece. I assume that if you've debunked time and again, you probably have a whole list. Can you mention as many pieces of drivel as you can remember off the top of your head?

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…Just disclose your name…

I’m Spartacus!

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I'll add my name to the waiting list asking you for specific examples.

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Add me to the waiting list as well.

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I also would like to see specific examples of IPVM "dribble".

I find IPVM a very reliable source the enhances end-user decision-making

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Are you sure you're not an Expert Hostile Witness"?

Peter Goldring, EHW

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I can admit to being verbose, but Zwirn, Goldring, and his ilk make me look concise in comparison. Additionally they have to be self-aggrandizing with entire websites inflating their egos. Tell me, what have you guys been in the news for lately? Nothing? Are you still flailing about insignificantly while IPVM gets to be the iceberg that sinks the Hikuawei-tanic?

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Robert, I don't think denigrating what Pete does for a living or how he does it is productive. plus it's not really fair to him in this debate.

the guy is clearly smart and learned in his field - and because he is primarily selling his years of experience to the market, I have no beef with his website nor membership in any of those groups that gives him letters after his name. from what I've seen of other consultants, it's kinda how they all do it.

my interest in this string was Pete's specific use of hyperbole that locked himself in a box from jump.

which, after helpfully pointing out Pete's mondegreen, is why I asked him for one example of IPVM drivel that he has debunked.

now, I admit that I am not being fair to Pete either by asking that question - because I'm only pointing out that he is in that box he made for himself vs actually expecting an answer.

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I'm denigrating him for his ego and his attempts to call someone else a blowhard (and other ad hominems) out of projection. The extravagant self-promotion on his website worthy of any con-artist and charlatan. Where do we see that with the gracious host of this publication? This is the contrast that points to the content of their respective characters.

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Robert,

In your capacity as an employee of IPMV, you just accused me of being a con artist in writing.

Thank you for demonstrating your gross incompetence and inexperience. Most importantly, thanks for wrapping up with a bow a cause of action against IPMV and you personally.

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I gave you a funny vote because that comment is comedy gold!

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So now you're an expert lawyer as well....

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Again, you fail English. I said your self-promotion on your website is worthy of what con-artists do.

Why do white people always fail at English when a Chinese person is in the room? (PSSSST, this one's a joke)

ALSO, I DON'T WORK FOR HIM ANYMORE! YOU BLOODY IDIOT! I haven't in what? Over 2.5 years?

Jesus f-ing Christ. Your perceived IQ keeps dropping by the moment. You couldn't be bothered to read my LinkedIn? Wow. (No exclamation on purpose since I'm not really surprised) Are you that willfully ignorant of context clues?

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In your capacity as an employee of IPMV

Robert has not been an IPVM employee for more than 2 years. You're an expert, right? You can just look at his LinkedIn profile or that he has the label of "Independent" under his name.

you just accused me of being a con artist in writing.

No, as an "expert" and "analyst" you know he did not accuse you of being a con artist. He alleged:

The extravagant self-promotion on his website worthy of any con-artist and charlatan

He accused you of extravagent self-promotion. It's an opinion, just like you can have a negative opinion of me or Robert, etc.

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I disagree on the first part of your comment. He's not given any evidence for any point against IPVM he's made. His retort to many valid questions appear to be questioning the poster's credentials, straight-up name calling or insulting people for posting undisclosed.

In all of the comments on here, I see no genuine attempts to 'debunk' IPVM. I see many unwarranted insults being thrown by him. He has come here showing no respect to anyone, and he shouldn't expect any in return.

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Pete, in all seriousness, I would be happy to hear what IPVM dribble / drivel you are specifically concerned about.

So far all I have heard is name-calling from you, e.g. "IPVM is nonsense" and "IPVM Is Run By A Bloviating Industry Drop-Out Who Couldn't Make It In The Main Stream."

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I am fine with essentially being "roasted" by you but I am genuinely curious if you can share some substance to your critique.

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Honestly, the best roast I ever heard about you is when Ari revealed that you are Waluigi!

"IPVM Is Run By A Bloviating Industry Drop-Out Who Couldn't Make It In The Main Stream."

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As I get older, I get very suspicious about people who spend time to actively diss others, like this anti/parody IPVM group.

I mean, does it bring joy or money? For me, I try not to engage in anything that will bring only further stress.

Much, if not most of my revenue has come from referrals from people whom, honestly, I don't really get along with fantastically well at a personal level. In my opinion, Mr. Goldring needs to relax and just make money.

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So you are self proclaimed expert? I get it, you have been asked to testimony at a few trials. I know all sorts of actual experts in this field. They are current and former LEOs. They have investigated actual cases and prepared evidence for DAs to prosecute. You sir are a hack. Do you accept funding from the PRC?

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Exactly. Real experts don't go around trying to sell their expertise as a witness.

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I am often asked about IPVM and enjoy every chance I get to debunk their dribble.

You state you are often asked, but you do not state how often you "debunk their dribble". Does this mean you don't get to debunk often? If I ask politely could you please give me a few examples of where IPVM are erroneous in their statements / conclusions. That is please give me a few examples of 'dribble'.

Also congrats on the massive membership of your Sign Up | LinkedIn linked in group. With 5 members you now have 0.0125% of the following that the dribbling IPVM has. Well done you!!!!

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Add my name to list of interested in proof of debunked drivel. Love the "horns down" IPVM logo you did too, Pete, quite clever...

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Can we vote this charlatan off the island?

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I can't edit my original post, guess that feature is blocked. Certainly the word is drivel. You might notice the proximity of the letter b to the v on the keyboard. Spell check seems to have gotten the best of me. Maybe you could be a nice blowhard and edit that John. Or not, since you seem to just enjoy nonsensical rants.

For those who post anonymously, be a man and put a name to what you spew. I will gladly reply to any and all, but only if you share your identity.

Finally, as a leading industry consultant and expert witness, I cover dozens of manufacturers, companies and verticals. Because IPVM comes up in searches, bankers, VC's analysts and others have asked questions about them.

I have participated in an interview with John and found his behavior laughable and not worthy of calling himself a journalist. I have observed this behavior first hand with three other industry leaders. I have no respect for him as a source of information. His staff of ivy leaguers have about a minute of real world experience and lend nothing to the effort.

As for me sharing my reports, happy to, but I get paid for my advice. Here's a freebie, though. I was the first person to call Jeff He of HIKVision out on 9/2/2016.

I offer anyone here 15 minutes of free zoom or telephonic consulting. I have helped hundreds grow their careers and/or their business and enter new lines. Few can make high level introductions to major manufacturers like I can.

Nay sayers, keep spewing your bile. Want to be more successful? Hit me up.

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so...

not even one.

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You might notice the proximity of the letter b to the v on the keyboard. Spell check seems to have gotten the best of me. Maybe you could be a nice blowhard and edit that John.

Pete, seriously, what is with the continuous name-calling? "blowhard"?

I edited it to correct your error.

As for me sharing my reports, happy to, but I get paid for my advice. Here's a freebie, though. I was the first person to call Jeff He of HIKVision out on 9/2/2016.

Does that support your claim of "debunking IPVM's dribble drivel"? I don't see the connection. And how or what did you say about "Jeff He of HIKVision"?

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I will gladly reply to any and all, but only if you share your identity.

Just making sure you see the list of people, including myself, posting above asking for you to substantiate your claims.

Here's a freebie, though. I was the first person to call Jeff He of HIKVision out on 9/2/2016.

Here's another freebie, there was already wide awareness of Hikvision, their funding, and their cyber security issues quite a bit prior to your callout, ex: March 2016 Hikvision "loophole" alert.

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I have been in this industry for 10 years. I am well educated and I know bull shit when I read it. The above message is bull shit. IPVM doesn't take money. Strip all your bias away, that alone means they should be taken very seriously. I don't agree with all of the content they produce, however, give me another more trustworthy source that doesn't take money from manufacturers. I'll be waiting a very long time because it doesn't exist, sir. If you are serious about studying the industry, IPVM needs to be consulted. You do your clients a massive disservice by 100% disregarding their work. John's behavior should have no bearing on the content if the content is true journalism. In my opinion, IPVM showcases the power of the press by not taking money from anyone other than subscribers.

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Ha Ha Ha! I work for a fortune 500. We have more PHDs than you have keystrokes on this thread. I would offer you actual advice but due to the damage already done here it would be a very expensive endeavor for you. My passport says I have been to China far more than you have and my speed dial says I know far more C level managers than you do. I would never post this as disclosed because it would make me look like a complete ass. I would agree to unmask and "be a man" if you agree to meet me in an MMA ring. I will pay for a licensed referee but you need to get your own gear as I am certain you have none of your own. No need for a cup......

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I know exactly who you are. How's life after HIK? Loser.

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How's life after HIK? Loser.

Did you seriously just call someone a "loser"? Why did you think this is a good idea to continue to call people names?

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Because I know him. And he is one of the biggest losers I've ever met.

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I know him. And he is one of the biggest losers

So you are triple/quadruple downing on name-calling?

For what it is worth and for the record, #5 has never worked at Hikvision so I don't think you "know him".

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So anonymous isn't anonymous to you? How many anonymous posts are just you shooting your mouth John?? See, I didn't call you a blowhard, but people who post anonymously and people who run websites who claim people can post anonymously when they can't are BLOWHARDS.

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So now you also don't understand website administration...

Anonymous with an account is still visible to the website admin. True anonymous posing would require that the forums be completely open to non-members which isn't ideal to the subscription model of the articles.

Please, stop demonstrating your continuing ignorance. It's exhausting to educate someone who's head is so far up their own rectum.

Also, do you want to take the L like a man for not noticing that I don't work for IPVM and that I did not call you a con-artist? Also you misspelled IPVM twice in reacting to me so now we can forgive you for being a bad typist. See? Not so bad to be a flawed individual.

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You may not realize it but you really are making yourself look less than professional. True consulting is proof that you solved critical problems as needed, when needed. Not asking someone what time it is, stealing their watch and trying to sell it back to them.

Sometimes in these chats, we cant give out our identities due to our level of security within the government and or other reasons, such as Board Members, C-Level do not want to see their personnel in conversations such as these.

My experience is limited in that I only have 39 years in security. I am not a consultant but many companies have actually agreed with solutions that we proposed , installed, and been successful saving lives and dollars.

Best bet when you look this bad is to fold up your tent and go away, far away

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I work at a publicly traded US company. We supply required widgets for things to work. We have exactly 1.5 competitors in our widget making and Hik/Dah can't function without these widgets. As a result they will give me the time of day, otherwise not so much.

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Did you seriously just call someone a "loser"?

In all fairness, it was only after UM5 implied that Peter lacked a peter.

but you need to get your own gear as I am certain you have none of your own. No need for a cup......

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Takes a child to react to childish insults. Just saying.

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You want to blame key proximity when it takes 2 "b"s to make "dribble" as opposed to 1 "v" to make "drivel". You forgot to also blame autocorrect, which would normally present you with options. In the end, it's a funny mistake that anyone can own and just let go.

However, someone with your blowhard pride can't admit that you just mistook the word as a lapse in mastery of English because it would tarnish your air of legitimacy via education. You have a stick up your @ss of the highest degree and you want to criticize someone else for being less than a legitimate source of information. So which is it? Are the perfect wordsmith on an ivory tower or a man of the people who can run cable with the little people like us?

It's hilarious that you care so much about your image and yet you want to tear down someone else's when they've directly contributed to so much more as a member of the industry. This isn't even a pot calling the kettle black in this situation.

You want to say that Honovich isn't worthy of being called a journalist, but his reporting is significant enough to contribute to the ejection of 3 Chinese manufacturing giants from our market. So who exactly is our industry's Walter Cronkite? The cronies at the other publications that are bought and paid for?

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I was today years old when I first heard you.

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"I offer anyone here 15 minutes of free zoom or telephonic consulting. I have helped hundreds grow their careers and/or their business and enter new lines. Few can make high level introductions to major manufacturers like I can."

Peter Goldring, EHW

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"As for me sharing my reports, happy to, but I get paid for my advice. Here's a freebie, though. I was the first person to call Jeff He of HIKVision out on 9/2/2016." Peter Goldring, EHW

I wonder where you got that idea...

By John Honovich, Published Aug 29, 2016, 08:00am EDT

Hikvision PRC China Government Origin And Control

Looks like John called out Hikvision publicly 4 days before your claim.

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Well done! We should have Honovich change your designation to Undisclosed Memelord #1.

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I have read this entire thing. I have checked his Bio on LinkedIn and have done research on this man and honestly speaking. I find narcissism brewing.

MY OPINION!

Anyone whos entire career has been based on being a President, VP, Chief or Senior Level only positions within this industry typically has only the experience of such. And can only be an expert at that and that alone. This by no means gives him credence where I am concerned on what being an industry leader actually means. Exert Witness for What exactly? For spreadsheets, cost analysis, OPEX vs CAPEX. Actually running a multi-million dollar business. I mean just based on your experience alone that you publish you could only be an expert witness on accounting, sales, business trends, marketing analysis etc. Your expert witness credentials would not hold of to scrutiny in a legal case based on the technology and how it works.

I will say this. Most of the individuals who actually are industry leaders don't say there industry leaders. Its a title given by there peers and typically speaking these individuals brush it off as non-sense.

Also expert witness is not an all encompassing title by the way. Just because you get a certification to be an expert witness doesn't actually make you one. Cause once you get cross-examined it will be found out rather quickly that your testimony is based on limited knowledge. During the cross examination its found out that most of these expert witness testimonials is based on your cert and no real world experience in how the technology actually works or can be manipulated. In fact typically speaking most expert witness testimony in the security industry has been thrown out due to this exact issue. Hence why no real industry leader wastes his time, energy or recourses to get such certification. Because the cert means nothing in the grand scheme of things other than adding more titles to your name. I realize in certain circles certs mean everything. But at the end of the day it doesn't prove your body of work. You know wins/loss column.

Now for the meat and potatoes of the issue.

When's the last time to actually dealt with a technology hands on for more than 10,000.00 Hours?

When's the last time to actually dealt with a city, county or state inspector for more than 500 Hours?

When's the last time you dealt with Customer Service / Tech Support for a manufacturer for more than 200 Hours?

When's the last time you personally POC (Proof of Concept) a specific technology or a specific part that said it could do something all over its spec sheets and marketing material only to find out that it actually doesn't do it. Cause guys like you and salesmen and marketing people will sell it all day long to a customer only to have people such as myself prove you wrong and now the customer is pissed and you end up blaming me or the manufacture for lying. When in the end you should never say something works until it has been POC'd by an COUGH COUGH COUGH!!!!!!!!!! an actual Expert! How many hours you say (My entire career) Tens of thousands of hours combating this issue. Never oversell and under deliver.

Look no disrespect but here's the truth of the matter. I started from the bottom and worked to the top. And in all my time in this journey I've found one major thing to be true. STAY IN YOUR LANE!

What does that mean exactly. Well what it means is. You should listen more and talk less cause you will learn more. Secondly Presidents, VP etc. normally don't talk about what your talking about because there to busy running companies and business's to have discussions with people on IPVM or anywhere else for that matter. I know I wouldn't as I would be having board meetings, Meetings with other VP's and presidents rather to sit down and talk about how you get the chance to debunk people. I would be to busy trying to make money for the company and to be specific continue to push towards 5 and 10 year goals rather than spend time debating anything for that matter. At this point in the career you not in a position to really debate but to perform.

You hire others like me who have the EXPERIENCE and KNOWLEDGE to perform this debate.

I actually think this is beneath you based on your position alone. But if you want to get OWNED by actual EXPERTS then I guess a glutton for punishment maybe your next certification.

You will always find someone smarter, faster, quicker, wittier. And always assume your not the smartest person in the room. Cause one day you may find yourself in a board room with an extremely knowledgeable stake holder and once you say the first thing wrong that raises his concerns you will now lose that giant deal.

I've also found out that the NEW YORK business idea doesn't work everywhere. Say anything to get the deal done mentality. I usually have to come behind you for double the money to fix it. So keep doing what your doing. I know the customer hates it but I love it. Cause not only do I get to prove you wrong like most of the sociopaths before you I also get double the money on the project and make a customer for life. So while you sold a job I double dipped and made a customer for life.

Sorry not sorry. But here we are!

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How can you function as a license qualifier in the State of Florida when you are in New Jersey?

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Disclose your name. Don't be a coward. I hold eight licenses and have an installation business that does work in select markets nationwide. Though Florida has no residency requirements, I do have a home there.

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I have a driver's license and do well over a hundred million in revenue each quarter in this space in all countries that US laws allow. I also have a motorcycle license as well as a fishing license. (Freshwater)

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Anyone that qualifies himself again and again in the same conversation is obviously insecure about his own experience and qualifications.

And before you reply with "undisclosed, blah, blah, blah", I post undisclosed because it protects the risk of a potentially career-ending post, much like the post that kicked this thread off.

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I post undisclosed because it protects the risk of a potentially career-ending post, much like the post that kicked this thread off.

I gave you a Funny and an Informative - cuz it was a great slam. but I could not give you an agree.

not because Undisclosed posting doesn't provide a career shield for certain people from the potential you mention, but because this argument is historically only made here on IPVM by sole proprietors who can not fire themselves for their own dumb words.

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I post undisclosed because it lets me post unlimited memes!

Corrected that for you.

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I post undisclosed because it lets me post unlimited memes!

Well, there's that.

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Over on LinkedIn, Peter is criticizing IPVM as well, specifically that our "tribunal appearance was nonsense at best":

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Reminder: The topic of this thread is debunking IPVM's drivel. Please stick to that and refrain from name calling.

I am genuinely curious to hear real critiques of our research, reporting and analysis.

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OK no more fanning the flames from my side. I am honestly interested to know what reporting is done in error here. We use the reports here to make decisions and try to better understand the ecosystem. I find the reporting to be of value and that is why I pay for a group subscription. So where are they wrong?

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I’ll be direct… What is one example of drivel that you’ve debunked??

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It is pretty funny. I have been in meetings, trainings, etc., and have mentioned something that IPVM has reported, tested, covered, etc. Or on a facebook group for slammers installers :) and people love the Hik, low cost, etc. I then mention something or back it up (NDAA, etc.) with info from a public IPVM article and people stop and think. As someone above mentioned, there is NO ONE ELSE in the industry doing what IPVM does. Sure the trade mags will have a piece that quickly discussed H.265 or licensing or 8k or AI, but to go to the depth of testing actual hardware from multiple manufacturers... No one. They will publish the good and the bad. They are not afraid to call out Axis or say that Hik did something good.

The fact that you are persuading bankers and VC shows that you are good at convincing people who don't know our industry or know it from the small consumer side where they want to sell their new AI cloud widget for $29.99.

But talk to a security director for a major retailer or a fortune 500 or a theme park or a data center, and then let's see....

lol.

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Why would you possibly not disclose your identity if you're so passionate? John likes to blow hot air.

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Why would you possibly not disclose your identity if you're so passionate? John likes to blow hot air.

You keep trying to call out undisclosed posters, but it's not like you're actually engaging with the ones who are not posting undisclosed. Your infatuation with undisclosed posters just looks like a deflection and an excuse to not deliver on your offer to provide details.

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No, Brian. I am saying that John posts as anonymous and the sheep that pay for bad advice believe they are real people. Yawn. IPVM is lame.

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Just because you're saying it does not mean it has any truth to it.

You made an offer to backup your claims to people who posted under real names. Myself, and several others, signed up to hear those claims, yet you have not followed through on your offer.

At this point everyone is aware that you cannot back up your claims. If you actually could somehow disprove IPVM on a broad scale you would have already done so here, and likely all over LinkedIn as well, it is clear from your posts that you have a strong desire to be validated.

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Just the opposite Brian. I have a strong desire to debunk IPVM. It is a nonsense site run by a bag of hot air. The "anonymous" crap is the best. Just John boy posting. Smoke and mirrors.

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I have a strong desire to debunk IPVM.

Yes, we know. The issue is that you can't do it.

Nobody has doubted your desire, just your ability.

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You're resume is impressive. Ummm not

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*Your

(I'm not ivy league)

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"Expert Witness"

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Great retort. Good luck flipping burgers.

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You're resume is impressive. Ummm not

I'm going to wager that people are paying you to speak more than they are paying you to write?

Anyway, you got me, I'm some unimpressive nobody. I'm going to go study a bit to see if I can get myself to Peter Goldring levels of success and profit in the security industry.

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Attaboy. Nothing is free. One day maybe people will listen to you. Good luck.

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IPVMU bahahhhhhahhhh. Does that come with a free set of tools. Tool.

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Alright you petty little numbskull, let's test your field knowledge. DeWalt impact driver or Milwaukee? Which one has the fatal flaw that's bad for being high up on a ladder?

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Are we witnessing some sort of breakdown in real-time?

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Now that there is just FUNNY!

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The "anonymous" crap is the best. Just John boy posting. Smoke and mirrors.

Pete. c'mon, man.

1st of all, as others have already pointed out, nobody posts anonymously on a paid subscription site - how could we? Undisclosed to non-IPVM people does not mean anonymous.

and then you go hog wild and make a claim that everyone but you knows just is not true.

John posts as John and many subscribers like myself have the ability to post Undisclosed - so we utilize this option because we have this ability.

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You make Biden seem smart. Anonymous posts make an already sketchy site lack any creditability. No one can tell what windbag is posting. That makes this site a sham.

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your insult per sentence ratio is strong 1:1

you have offered nothing compelling. go away already.

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Who are you? Or you're just John hot air.

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no way John is witty enough to post a meme like this one.

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There you have it folks! A Trumplican calling people names like "loser". It all makes sense now!

Add that to the goofy spelling/grammar errors, self-aggrandizing narcissism, lack of reading comprehension, etc. etc.

What is it you guys like to say about others? Oh yeah, "Sad!"

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Shame you had a mentor like blowhard. You have no hope.

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Him? My mentor? He couldn't reign me in and I was a potential liability. That and when I did temper myself, I didn't write simply enough for general media consumption. I also didn't crank out enough good article ideas. I was too much work to edit. It was back to the trenches of technical support and climbing ladders for me. I didn't cut my teeth at IPVM if that's what you were thinking

I, at least, can acknowledge my own weaknesses. What about you?

You can't even admit that you failed massively by assuming that I still worked for Honovich (I get that Trump lovers hate reading, that's why you didn't check my LinkedIn) or that you can't effectively comprehend what my diction presented to you. Hell, you even lack the empathy for normal every day people who want to post opinions on an industry platform without backlash from their employers or the industry at large. What makes you an authority on whether John is an effective journalist?

I'm a loudmouth, but at least I don't run around acting like some authority on anything. My job is to design, implement, and troubleshoot IT and visual surveillance systems for people. Git'er done and make it work. Embarrassing stuffed shirts from the industry is just a bonus.

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Sound like you applying for a job at IPVM again.

Entrance Exam? :)

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I mean, according to Peter, John still owes me back pay probably! Lol.

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Some heroes don't wear capes, they wear an "Undisclosed"!

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You keep claiming that John is posting as various undisclosed people, but you have shown no proof, just like you won't answer the questions that you yourself posed. We have seen this in the news for the past year - people claiming to have evidence and sounding the alarm, screaming to everyone, using their position and self-importance, but never actually delivering anything. You think that you are helping your company and driving traffic, but come on. Wait until google spiders the conversation and we will see how your SEO looks.

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I am saying that John posts as anonymous

No, that's not correct, I nor anyone at IPVM has posted anonymous nor undisclosed here. You are discussing with real people with extensive experience in the industry.

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IPVM is lame.

And yet you are here, stoking the fire, offering ZERO useful information, gaslighting and deflecting and name-calling, only offering to offer substance if someone calls you and pays. LOL.

Clearly you are hurt that you didn't think of this or you can't actually contribute, as you enter the conversation like a pigeon. You swoop in, squawk and make lots of noise, crap all over the place and then fly away....

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I’ll answer your question even though you haven’t answered mine. It’s simple. I’ve opted for anonymity because I don’t want to be personally attacked by someone who has shown a propensity to personally attack and publicly disparage people.

The name calling is juvenile. It doesn’t position you as an expert in your field or even as a professional.

If anything, your deflection just makes it appear that you are the one bloviating.

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As discussed MANY times here on IPVM, it is because I have a membership from my company. I don't speak officially in my company's capacity. If I post disclosed, it could be taken as a statement from the company. I am posting as someone who has over a decade in the industry working for different 1st tier manufacturers.

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-IPVM advances tje industry and contributes piercing articles

-All you do is write salty comments and form a cringy linkedin group to protest

-why do you have the same nonsense post-nominal as zwirn?

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Because IPVM is nonsense.

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Might be the only way to get info out of Peter, at least for 1 hour.

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Peter serious question.

Are you ok?

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If you're really a manufacturer and you really put any credence in IPVM, I'm great. Thanks for confirming the fact that there are manufacturers with no clue which end is up. Makes my clients sleep better at night. Or are you just windbag John? Hmmmmm.

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Yes am am truly a manufacturer that has a global view of a good part of this industry that you have zero understanding of. You don’t even know what you don’t know.

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Yawn. Sure. Who are you? No one. Hi John!

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This is fun...

Add me to the list of named persons who would love to hear just one example. Perhaps my positive views of the journalism and education provided are misguided. Possibly my indoctrination as a "sheep" into the cult of IPVM was misguided, and maybe only your esteemed expertise can guide me from this dark path I'm venturing down. Help me Obi-Wan Kenobi. Your (/s) You're my only hope.

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If you think IPVM is going to educate you, you're too far gone. But that's ok. The world needs trunk slammers. God speed.

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Windbag John, did you leave Maui? Now Pennsylvania? What happened?? Subscribers dropped off?

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Well you have been really convincing with your compelling testimony here.

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Does Pete think this thread adds credibility to his reputation and business?

Can IPVM make this thread available to even those that do not subscribe?

I would love to see some marketing around this. What say you Pete?

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new IPVM merch

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I would wear this at ISC West.

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As the poster of the original question, which answer became this thread, I must say, I am so glad I asked whether Pete is still a paid subscriber.

There is something very meta about a person paying for access to reporting he does not trust so that he can attack the publisher AND that publisher happily promoting his attacker(s) and engaging in the subsequent interchange with gusto, sincerity AND good humor.

Rather than make this thread free I think John should tweet out select portions and offer 1 week free trials to hook readers forcing them to pay in order to read the updated installments.

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I know that IPVM is great for hosting drama... But let's not literally make that a selling point, shall we?

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Just read through all of this. To be honest, it seems a little performative on the part of Nice Guy Pete here. A little song and dance for a targeted audience. Not sure who that is, but the vibe I'm getting is that he's putting on this show to be able to point to it later and say he 'took on IPVM'. Just a dude looking to build profile for himself.

Seems to me like he could benefit from Dale Carnegie course. Might just be me though.

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what if Pete is actually.... John Honovich!

I just blew ALL YOUR !@#$ MINDS.

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what if Pete is actually.... John Honovich!

and J.B. and A.K. and T.R. and M.C.

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John will do anything to promote his web of bloviation.

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No I won't.

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Neither will I....

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is that he's putting on this show to be able to point to it later and say he 'took on IPVM'.

And will leave out the last part....

"And lost."

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Peter, I, like others have posted NOT UNDISCLOSED asking you for some examples of the IPVM dribble you say you have debunked. Apart from one off topic hik example, which IPVM reported on before you anyway, you have refused to give any real examples.

So once again I ask you, with genuine interest, please give some examples where IPVM has been factually incorrect. Just so you know it is not a lowlife trunkslammer asking to try to wind you up I will mention my credentials to you.

I don't normally do the appendage size comparison, but you mentioned your credentials earlier, so I figure it is OK for me to also, just so you know you are not talking to a wannabe trunk slammer:-

University - Electrical Engineering, over 30 years experience in the industry doing installs & service in just about every environment including, houses from dog box to mansions with over 180 alarm zones & 30 + cameras, garden sheds, shopping centres, banks, schools, cash handling facilities, power station, industrial sites, embassies & a military base. My work in this industry has taken me to 7 countries other than my own.

I have also worked in a graded central station

I have also done high end tech support in wholesale & also even been a state manager in wholesale. Every job I have had in the industry I have been head hunted for, I have never been out of work.

The fact that I almost certainly will not get an answer, probably just abuse I figure I may as well add the following, which was going to be a separate post.

This leads me to believe one of 3 things,

The person posting on here as Peter Goldring is not actually the real Peter Goldring.

or

The real Peter Goldring is full of solid bodily waste

or

Assuming it is the real Peter Goldring due to the damage that this thread will cause Peter Goldrings' reputation I feel that perhaps Peter may need some help. I did a little googling for you in your area, I hope it will help. Counseling Center | Freehold, NJ

I am not now, nor ever have been John Hanovich

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Goldring has responded on LinkedIn saying I need to pay him for him to substantiate his accusations against IPVM:

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My response there, copied below:

Pete, you've repeatedly made various criticisms of IPVM, numerous people have asked you to substantiate them, yet you continue to refuse and now you would like me to pay you to substantiate the public allegations you made. I am confident people will understand the type of person you are from your behavior in this exchange and will not ask you again about this.

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Got it. So Peter took a bath in the recent drop in the crypto market and needs to drum up some additional business to pay his bills.

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I will be getting into the consulting business also and just got my first client. But before we have our first consultation, I will need to get his billing address.

Here's the e-mail that I received from LinkedIn.

"Hey Carl,

We operate in the same market area and know some people in common.

Just trying to understand why you value IPVM.

Peter"

So, if I put more miscellaneous letters after my name, can I charge more?

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I use to do this because it is a big part of the security industry culture. Between real-world experience, discussion with industry colleagues, and participating in forums like this, I learned the alphabet behind your name often doesn't mean anything.

What matters is real experience, knowledge, and talent... as well as how well you articulate that to end-users and others in your profession.

I removed my alphabet about a year ago because I can back up what I do and say through my work.

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AMEN! I can't tell you how many times I've been given an RFP, or seen design drawings, from a "security consultant" that were utter garbage. The "consultants" generally have no clue on the real world implications of their designs. They are over-spec'd in multiples. i.e.

- PTZ's are not a great option for most users without dedicated security teams

- Most sites don't need 4k, 30fps

- Too many cameras (i.e. one looking down each hallway, when one well placed camera in the corner seeing down both hallways would suffice...or a panoramic), which causes additional time to review footage that most end users don't have time for.

- They never seem to remember that you need dedicated LPR cameras to get actionable evidence

- They also never seem to look at the landscaping plans...

- I could go on and on....

All in, the over-spec leads to ridiculously high quotes...of which the end user generally goes with the cheapest option (using inferior cameras that technically meet the spec).

Real world experience beats letters behind your name in many facets of surveillance, or at least the design/spec portion of it in my opinion.

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Now, Goldring has switched tactics, saying he will pay to audit IPVM's subscriber numbers:

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I've accepted:

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We will see if he follows through on this but he is sure determined to do anything other than what he declared at the beginning, which was to debunk IPVM's dribble / drivel.

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It'll ve* a wonder to see where the goalposts are moved to from this point.

* sorry b and v are very close on my keyvoard, you vlowhards wouldn't understand

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Now that's vunny dhit.

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Well played, Dabid Vowling.

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Waiting for your reply, to very simple, media industry accepted accounting, Blowhard. Are you in? Doubt it.

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This is quite the daytime drama! Looking forward to see the bad guy get his comeuppance! But really people, this name calling is really tiresome and childish in a public forum. Peter, if you don't like IPVM, don't visit the site or give it air! If you refuse to post anything that IPVM has reported in error, then this is a huge waste of time and energy, go do something productive. Oh and this is not John, just one of the more than 15,000 subscribers. Also could you tell me why it is that "The world needs more trunk-slammers?" I personlly hate servicing the work of trunk-slammers, not sure why the world needs them?

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He's implying that the education on IPVM is only fit for trunk slammers and the world needs more of them because... he thinks somehow they make someone so "qualified" as himself look better?

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Well, I missed this whole thread entirely Robert. I only saw it yesterday since what you posted appeared on LinkedIn. The thread has been very comical. The biggest observation was that for someone with all these credentials, there was more name-calling than substance. If this is what is to be expected from a complimentary hour of consultation, I'm not sure how valuable that is.

I say this Peter, as you have spent more time writing personal attacks than providing substance, which is funny, but a complete waste of time.

According to you Peter, I'm being a man and beating my chest (exaggeration) since I'm not posting undisclosed. Many have posted disclosed like Robert has and you have still yet to provide any substance to back up your wild claims. I can't believe you really think that John has that much time to post undisclosed with many different methods of speaking.

I checked out your website briefly. SSL certificates aren't that expensive:

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I would remove the below photo from your website. That looks more like a trunk-slammer alarm panel install (I don't care if it's the norm; it shouldn't be) and it's on your home page. It's above the heading Security Risk Analysis, but it doesn't seem to relate to the image. You could have a perfectly installed device and still have a need for a Security Risk Analysis.

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I get that you have all the fancy credentials in multiple states. Congratulations. Your bio is very interesting and it appears you have years of experience. However, that doesn't somehow give you a license to act like an asshole. Asshole points to your behavior on this thread and isn't necessarily pointed to you as a person since I don't know you outside of this thread and your website.

I would challenge you with this. Take all of the personal attacks that you have posted on this page (which is almost every post) towards individuals and add them at the bottom of your website home page and see how many clients like this sort of behavior. If clients like that sort of thing, you have the perfect clients for you.

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Hah. Imvp u certified. That's fantastic. Hope you didn't pay for that.

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Little Bobby! Nice to see you again. Up from nap time? Go read a book and let the grown ups speak!!

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Do you sit to pee?

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Little Bobby?? You're not even out of diapers. Stop it.

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Now you think UM#5 is me? Wow, and it took you 2 whole days to answer with just a sad little ad hominem. Not even a good one. Here, let me teach you how it's done:

You want to be ridiculous and say I'm not even out of diapers, but I bet you're probably headed back to wearing them very soon. You want to play the age card, but you refuse to act your age... Scratch that, your age group is currently comprised of a majority of paranoid racists who are reverting into gullible children.

The last decent thing you did that was noted in his LinkedIn feed was walk to fight Alzheimer's. Then again that's because you have early signs of it. I don't ask demented out of shape old men to join me in the ring. I prefer a challenge, not a brittle punching bag.

In all honesty though, UM#5, try to keep it classy. This man is already being murdered enough by words and his own lack of verbal competence. Why take it outside the scope of our profession? Also, jokes about genitals are really... not helpful. There are plenty of other more topical ways he can be reamed about.

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Brutal... but well deserved.

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Now that's funny! Almost as funny as paying a subscription for this site. I'm sure if blowhard agrees to an audit it will reveal not even close to 15,000 paying members.

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Are you trying to kill your career? Do you know how the internet works?

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No, he believes you are John Honovich, and the only people seeing these posts are him and John, and anyone that posts disclosed simply doesn't matter. The way he is crafting his responses is similar to many of the trolls in the YouTube comments. I saw the thread on LinkedIn.

John, are you able to confirm that it's actually Peter Goldring writing these responses? I almost don't believe someone in the industry with these credentials and connections is responding so much like a child.

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Have faith, Kyle. Hono-the-clown is well known among the people who lead the industry. I'm just the one who plans to make this site go away. Hono-the-clown, why haven't you answered my message with the audit details?

NOTICE: This comment has been moved to its own discussion: "Hono-The-Clown Is Well Known Among The People Who Lead The Industry. I'm Just The One Who Plans To Make IPVM Go Away."

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John, are you able to confirm that it's actually Peter Goldring writing these responses?

Yes, and he is saying the same type of thing on LinkedIn, e.g.:

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And he just responded to me via email:

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Woah guys!! I just unraveled the whole Scooby-Doo level plot!

JH isn’t posting as UD#X!!! He is posting as PETER!!!

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I am waiting for you to be a man and meet me in the ring. Beta males like you always avoid an honest exchange.

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