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Anyone Have Experience With High Framerate Cameras?

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Matt Bode
Jan 13, 2015

We have an industrial customer that is trying to debug problems with their machinery. Any advice for the least expensive high speed camera out there? We do not expect it to attach to any VMS.

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John Honovich
Jan 13, 2015
IPVM

Hi Bob, what do you consider high frame rate? 60? 120? 1000?

For commercial IP cameras there are quite a few at 60 now but not many over that.

MB
Matt Bode
Jan 13, 2015

Anything over 300fps.

JH
John Honovich
Jan 13, 2015
IPVM

I am pretty sure you will need machine vision cameras then. I don't have expertise there but hopefully someone has experience to share.

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Ross Andersen
Jan 13, 2015

Most stuff over 300fps you start getting into RED Epic which is not cheap in any way. Is there a reason why it has to be over 300fps?

MB
Matt Bode
Jan 13, 2015

A fast spinning wheel has plastic flanges that are breaking off.

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Ross Andersen
Jan 13, 2015

might be cheaper to rent a high FPS camera for a day then it is to buy one. Have you tried anything lower? 200fps/120?

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Kevin Garben
Jan 13, 2015

We have used Cognex for some specialized projects, but they're not cheap. Cameras like this are taking lots of pictures but not stringing them together into a video like a CCTV system. They have a piece of software for analyzing each photo with the parameters you define. Much like a camera/VMS with boundries on an area of a camera's view, except one single picture at a time. For the installations we've done, it's not looking at differences from one picture to the next. It is just checking that each picture's content is within the boundries you defined.

Simple Example: The wheel is round. You use the software to draw a round area for where the wheel should be. As soon as the wheel starts failing or becoming less round, this should show in each picture. The system can be setup to alarm when this happens and save/email/display the frames when it is occuring.

The paramaters can get much more complex than that. Keeping in mind, the more stringent the parameters the more false positives that may occur. We've been able to catch very fine details on very fast moving materials, but if something like water, a fly, etc. comes into the frames it will cause quite a lot of errors.

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Ron Miller
Jan 13, 2015
RMT

Basler also has many good products. You will need a machine vision camera...if you search on that you will find many more than you can count. Pick a name like Basler that you may have heard of ( like Basler) unless someone else in the discussion ( like Kevin above) has a good reccomendation.

MB
Matt Bode
Jan 14, 2015

So far all I had found is a 2,000fps, 1280 x 1024, camera from Photron @ $22,500! Records to SD card only. They will rent it for $800/day.

But now I just found out that the imager used for the Mythbuster high speed shots are the fx K3 and fx K4 made by NAC Image Technology (Japan). It does use std nikon f-mount lenses. They use it at the 1280x720 resolution. It has full resolution @1280x1024. They normally shoot at around 500-1000 frames per second.

The starter kit for this camera is $12,000. It includes a laptop controller, lens, tripod, etc. The intereting part is that you get 12 seconds of buffered 250fps recording at VGA quality; the laptop controls whether the start time is measured from the beginning, middle, or end of an event. In our case, someone would hit a button when the flywheel breaks; if it happens within 12 seconds, we'll catch the shot.

So I think this is the answer -- thanks for your help. If you want more info, go to:

nac HotShot e64 Cameras » nac High Speed Camera Systems

Bob

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Horace Lasell
Jan 14, 2015
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John Honovich
Jan 14, 2015
IPVM

Only $5,495 for 700fps!

Thanks for sharing. Looks interesting. Here's their promo video:

Btw, this was a Kickstarter project funded in 2013.

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Horace Lasell
Jan 17, 2015

How about a non-commercial approach?

Build Your Own High Speed Camera

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