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Any Ideas On How To Lock Down This Set Of Doors?

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David Matyas
Nov 29, 2018

Any suggestion how to make it that these doors can be locked down for emergnecy purposes? On a daily basis the doors will be open with no locking mechanisim. But there should be a way to lock it down. Maglocks are not an option because they are fail safe. The only other option I came up with is an eclectic panic bar but I would rather not go that way.

 

Thank you

 

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Undisclosed #1
Nov 29, 2018

Sometimes cosmetics have to be sacrificed in the name of security.

 

You did not mention if they needed access control. Try This: http://www.baldtechnologies.com/bullybrakes.php

 

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Michael Silva
Nov 29, 2018
Silva Consultants

If these are not required fire exit doors, you could use electric bolt locks installed in the header above each door. These can be ordered in a fail-secure version. You would have power applied to retract the bolts under normal conditions. To lock the doors, you would simply remove power.

These are an old-school type of locking hardware and were used extensively before mag locks came about. They still have a few applications. These locks require good alignment to work properly, so the doors need to close consistently if the locks are to work reliably.

One benefit of using these locks is that they wouldn't significantly alter the appearance of the door. 

 

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David Matyas
Nov 29, 2018

Thank you. But what happens if the locks are engaged when the doors are open, will the be able to close?

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Michael Silva
Nov 29, 2018
Silva Consultants

There are position switches that don’t allow the bolt to drop unless the door is closed.

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David Matyas
Nov 29, 2018

I looked into the doors, unfortunately they are fire exit doors, is there a different option?

 

Thank you

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Michael Silva
Nov 29, 2018
Silva Consultants

I would look at using vertical rod exit devices (such as Von Duprin 9927EO) with electric latch retraction. The solenoids in the devices would be kept energized under normal conditions and you would interrupt power to lock the doors. People could always freely exit from the inside by pressing the bar on the exit device.

This won't be cheap - probably looking at at least $4,000 USD to secure both doors.

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Undisclosed End User #2
Dec 02, 2018

Couple of questions to have a better understanding:

1. Is this the secure or non secure side of the door pictured?

2. Is it a pull or push action required for the fire exit?

3. What door hardware is currently used to secure the door?

Feel free to provide more pics.

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Cary Menage
Dec 02, 2018
IPVMU Certified

Being that the hinge pins are accessible, one would hope we are seeing the secure side...

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Undisclosed End User #2
Dec 03, 2018

I learned a long time ago to never assume anything.  :)

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Undisclosed #3
Dec 03, 2018
IPVMU Certified

Maybe neither side is secure...

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Undisclosed End User #2
Dec 03, 2018

Rereading my post, I made a fatal mistake and used a U.S. Navy Term "Secure the Door". I should have said lock the door. 

 

How to Tell the Difference Between the Branches of the US Armed Forces!

If you give the command "SECURE THE BUILDING", here is what the different services would do:

The NAVY would turn out the lights and lock the doors.

The ARMY would surround the building with defensive fortifications, tanks and concertina wire.

The MARINE CORPS would assault the building, using overlapping fields of fire from all appropriate points on the perimeter.

The AIR FORCE would take out a three-year lease with an option to buy the building.

Credit:  Military Jokes

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Undisclosed #3
Dec 02, 2018
IPVMU Certified

Any suggestion how to make it that these doors can be locked down for emergnecy purposes?

What do you mean by “emergency purposes”?  Active shooter? 

Are you just trying to lock them anyway possible, or does it need to be EAC?

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