Does nobody else see this eventually paring down to one winner?
DC -vs- AC
BluRau-vs-HDDVD
VHS-vs-BetaMax
CD-vs-Compact Cassette
re: Format War
Hanwha / Samsung Launches Analog HD+
Published Mar 31, 2016 14:19 PM
HD analog continues to gain stream.
Hanwha (formerly Samsung) Techwin has launched their professional line of AHD products, which they are calling HD+.
In this note, we examine the offering, based on a conversation with Hanwha, and compare to Dahua and Hikvision.
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Comments (16)
Armando Perez
Mar 31, 2016JH
John Honovich
Mar 31, 2016Armando, good point, actually I have queued up a post about that, basically that the HD Analog Format Wars Are Ending.
I think the opposite is happening behind the scenes. More and more, recorders can handle / receive any signal (TVI, CVI or AHD). Even Dahua's announcement this week on their 3.0 is promoting TVI and AHD compatibility.
So I think Hanwha is late on the compatibility issue but the rest of the signs we are seeing recently is that in the not too near future, recorders will be able to connect to all 3 types.
U
Undisclosed #1
Mar 31, 2016The formats must be really close, since even the $12 1080p models that Brian hilariously lampooned yesterday, support all three Analog HD technologies.
Basil Tebrich
Mar 31, 2016Hey John, where did you see the Dahua announcement? Would you mind posting a link if possible please?
JH
John Honovich
Mar 31, 2016Armando Perez
Mar 31, 2016Has this ever happened before? Where multiple standards co-habitated a market happily? I dont remember if there were any multi-disc players for HD and bluray, but there might have been I suppose. This is a serious question, Im not being critical.
Why dont our houses have auto-switching panels that can connect to DC or AC? Would certainly have been better for the market to have people able to choose how they wanted to power their houses. plug that device right into the wall with no wall wart.
I still think SOMEBODY is going to win this eventually. Hell, when is the last time anyone mentioned HD-SDI around here?
JH
John Honovich
Mar 31, 2016Armando,
My perception has been on the HD analog formats, they are technically close enough that it is possible to handle them all relatively inexpensively.
That said, someone may 'win' it but right now the trend seems to be supporting multiple formats on one recorder.
Brian Karas
Mar 31, 2016Has this ever happened before? Where multiple standards co-habitated a market happily?
In the early days of Ethernet you had the option to use Ethernet II or 802.3 framing.
In the upper layers, before TCPIP was predominant there were protocol options from NetWare (NPX, IIRC) and from Microsoft (NetBIOS/NetBeui). My memory is a little fuzzy.
You could run TCP and NPX on the same Ethernet 802.3 network, as an example.
Eventually, TCP won out, mostly due to the need for connecting multiple networks (routing) that other pure broadcast-based protocols didn't scale well to.
At some point we may see the same thing with these coax HD standards. The first convergence decision might just revolve around analog vs. digital. HD-SDI is a digital signal on the coax, where the other popular options are an analog signal.
HD-SDI may be the most likely to be passed over because it's the outlier from a signal perspective, it's most likely easier to design a chipset than can handle multiple analog formats than one that could do multiple analog AND a digital signaling format (SDI).
So much of design decision in security seems to be price motivated that this will likely be a race to the bottom, whichever manufacturer is willing to give away their technology first will win out over the others.
U
Undisclosed #1
Mar 31, 2016Has this ever happened before? Where multiple standards co-habitated a market happily?
Many cameras support PSIA and ONVIF, though I'm not sure why.
Why dont our houses have auto-switching panels that can connect to DC or AC?
AC vs DC is bit more than just a difference in formats. And a dual infrastructure would be quite expensive. Yet DC micro grids are the future, so give it a bit.
Hell, when is the last time anyone mentioned HD-SDI around here?
~49 days, 17 hours, 46 minutes ago
JH
John Honovich
Mar 31, 2016Many cameras support PSIA and ONVIF
That's likely more specmanship than meaningful reality. PSIA's camera / video spec has not been updated since February 2010, and is effectively dead.
U
Undisclosed #1
Mar 31, 2016UI
Undisclosed Integrator #2
Mar 31, 2016In our industry, you could reference all the various PTZ communication formats and the general adoption of PELCO P/D as the default standard. Each private implementation has a minor advantage with those products, but overall PELCO became the universal format.
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Carlos Espinoza
Apr 02, 2016Yesterday we received a letter from Pedro Duarte, Latin American Vice President of Techwin that says since april 1, the Samsung brand is removed from everything in the CCTV line except for the products from Samsung Opto-Electronics America Inc. Someone has more information about this?
U
Undisclosed #1
Apr 02, 2016Do you know what cctv products currently fall under Samsung Opto-Electronics? It was my understanding that those products were taken over by Techwin a few years ago.
If not, it's gonna get interesting...
JH
John Honovich
Apr 02, 2016Carlos, thanks for sharing. I've forwarded your comment to Hanwha Techwin asking for comment. I'll reply with any.
JH
John Honovich
Apr 03, 2016Hanwhat Techwin feedback:
"We are still Samsung Opto-Electronics, dba Samsung Techwin, dba Hanwha Techwin. All existing products will continue to be branded with the Samsung brand, All new products, such as Wisenet HD+, Q Series, 4K, NVRs, Monitors will continue to be branded Samsung."