Camera Calculator Version 1 Released

Published Aug 04, 2014 04:00 AM

The new IPVM Camera Calculator is a game changer that enables you to truly see and understand what image quality and coverage you will get from various combinations of lenses and resolutions.

[UPDATE April 2015: Version 2 of the Camera Calculator now supports Google Maps.]

Take a look at what it does first:

We let you dynamically try out different camera and lens settings, instantly showing how the FoV changes in real scenes and what the impact on PPF / potential quality is.

Experiment with different settings - resolution, angles, distance, width, PPF, etc. Select different scenes, pan and tilt within them.

You can learn more in our 12 minute in-depth video.

Let us know what you think!

[UPDATE: Metric Support, Customer Image Added]

Metric support and uploading your own images as scenes to the calculator has been added.

Try It Out

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Undisclosed Manufacturer #1
Aug 04, 2014
Awesome! This tool is pretty sweet, makes it very straight-forward. Is it downloadable? What other tools are you guys considering? (Please pardon my ignorance, as I was very late to the tool webinar last week, appointment ran over...my loss and my apologies.)
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John Honovich
Aug 04, 2014
IPVM

We have a dedicated page for it here - IPVM Camera Calculator. It's all online based, no thick client.

We also have the Camera Finder, which we are now entering new cameras and will do an official promotion in September.

Finally, for the Calculator we plan a number of improvements, including selecting specific models and then having the calculator show what each model can do, given their focal lengths and max resolutions.

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Undisclosed Integrator #2
Aug 04, 2014

Nice, very nice. Keep up the good work !! :)

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Luis Carmona
Aug 04, 2014
Geutebruck USA • IPVMU Certified

I'm trying Firefox and IE and the PTZ function in the scenes isn't working. Also tried reloading the pages.

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Luis Carmona
Aug 04, 2014
Geutebruck USA • IPVMU Certified

Windows 8.1 Pro. Firefox 28 and IE 11.0.9600. I can look for an update for Adobe Elemennt.

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John Honovich
Aug 04, 2014
IPVM

Luis, we've confirmed this on our end. I am pretty sure it's a javascript issue that we can fix. It's a top priority for today. I'll update when fixed. Thanks for letting us know.

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Luis Carmona
Aug 04, 2014
Geutebruck USA • IPVMU Certified

Thanks! In the meantime I've found it works in Chrome for anyone interested.

Still it is a great tool!

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Brian Rhodes
Aug 04, 2014
IPVMU Certified

The panning issue with Internet Explorer has been fixed. If anyone sees additional browser-specific issues, let us know.

Thanks for the feedback!

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Undisclosed
Aug 04, 2014

This is cool....Great job :)

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Jorge Arriaga
Aug 04, 2014

it looks great, thank you guys! is it possible to add the meters option for those of us not custom to use feet? Tks

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John Honovich
Aug 04, 2014
IPVM

Jorge, [UPDATED] metric support is now live.

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Mike Ridgley
Aug 04, 2014

12 MP.. ? Is that it? LOL.

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John Honovich
Aug 04, 2014
IPVM

Hey, 12MP does even really exist yet in production! :)

We could easily list higher resolutions, it's just adding a field. We choose not to list anything higher because they tend to be proprietary above that.

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Ulrich Holtzhausen
Aug 04, 2014

Hi John,

While I agree 12MP is not a requirement at this point and probably a little overkill, some manufacturers are planning to launch 12MP ONVIF cameras before the end of the year.

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John Honovich
Aug 04, 2014
IPVM

12MP is already in the calculator.

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Undisclosed Manufacturer #8
Aug 05, 2014

The company I work for has a non-proprietary ONVIF 14MP camera... Not complaining, John, just letting you know that there are cameras at higher resolutions than 12MP on the market currently.

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John Honovich
Aug 05, 2014
IPVM

I knew who your company was even though you were undisclosed.

Why? That's how rare 14MP cameras are :)

Again, we can add resolutions we want - 100MP? Sure. But I am trying to limit it to those that are broadly (or likely in the case of 4K/12MP) available.

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Tim Geise
Aug 04, 2014
IPVMU Certified

This is very helpful John. Thank you for providing this tool.

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Undisclosed End User #4
Aug 04, 2014

Wow guys you are amazing, great work. If metric system also included that would be awesome.

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Ulrich Holtzhausen
Aug 04, 2014

Great, thanks for this! You should create a permanent link to this tool somewhere I think.

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John Honovich
Aug 04, 2014
IPVM

Ulrich, yes, we have a dedicated page - IPVM Camera Calculator V3, we are going to add it to the home page later this week after we end this initial promotion.

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Roger Bull
Aug 05, 2014

Any chance of a version in metric?

[Yes, we metric support is now live.]

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Manfred Fichtl
Aug 05, 2014

Missing scene for Warehouse with long and high shelfing with dim light conditions.

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John Honovich
Aug 05, 2014
IPVM

Manfred, we can always add in more scenes. The software is setup such that we take a 180 image and simply upload it. We'll consider a warehouse scene. If others have ideas for other scenes, we will consider them too.

Equally importantly, we are in in the middle of a feature where members can upload their own images for 'personal' scenes. Then they can pan / tilt / zoom / experiment with those.

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johan Schorreel
Aug 05, 2014

A very nice tool indeed, any plans to make it metric ? or is there a hidden option ?

[Yes, metric support is now live.]

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Phil Hutton
Aug 05, 2014

Very useful thanks IPVM.

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Vladimir Repin
Aug 05, 2014

It's pretty good done camera calculator. Thank you.

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Joel Kriener
Aug 05, 2014
IPVMU Certified

John, I am using the following IE version and the tool does not seem to respond at all. Any ideas?

WINDOWS IE VERSION - 8.0.7601.17514

Ciper - 256-bit

Joel

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John Honovich
Aug 05, 2014
IPVM

Joel, We are not supporting IE8 as it is more than 5 years old and there are many more recent version of IE, Firefox, Chrome, etc., that work well.

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Carl Lindgren
Aug 05, 2014

Joel,

I assume you're still using XP? Try Mozilla Firefox The new, fast browser for Mac, PC and Linux | Firefox. I think you'll be pleased.

One caveat: make certain you are downloading from mozilla.org's website. Other sources like CNET tend to bundle spyware and bloatware into their downloads.

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Jim Berlin
Aug 05, 2014

Finally, something that will actually help us and our customers make the best selection. I know its early, but I tried it on my iphone with chrome and it works, a little. I would gladly pay a few a bucks for this as an app that I can use with pics that I've taken while onsite. Great jobs guys and thank you!

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John Honovich
Aug 05, 2014
IPVM

Jim,

We are considering an app version, but it could fairly expensive to develop. Selling it for $3 each won't justify the cost but perhaps we do that as a member only feature where one logs in to use it.

Thanks for asking for it. We will seriously consider.

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Mike Reding
Aug 05, 2014

I have several apps for business that I paid $9 or $10 for. I even have one that I pay $500 a year for....paying for this for iPad or other tablet would be well worth the money, especially if we can use the camera on the tablet to create the scene......

You guys are awesome and membership in IPVM is the best money I spend on any industry organization. Thanks.

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Meghan Uhl
Aug 06, 2014

Totally agree John. I once paid $150.00 for a limited capability lens finder tool at ADI (many years ago). I'd pay a lot for an app that I could use while on site to show the client what they'll see given the camera/lens I plan to provide. Maybe you should do one of your surveys to see how many members would buy it and at what price point to decide if it makes sense for you. By the way - thanks for this calculator, its awesome! :)

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Max Shumeyko
Sep 02, 2014

I feel the same John. It seems that AppStore users get used to $1 - $3 apps.

Our users ask us to make a mobile version of IP Video System Design Tool, but we cannot make it our higher priority because of low AppStore prices.

I've read about Httpwatch price experiment. Initally they put $99 price tag on their Pro mobile app. And got a feedback from many users like: "$100 for Pro is stupidly expensive...". So they lowered the app price to $9.99. The number of sales went up, but their revenue decreased. Then they increased the price to $19.99 and they got the same number of sales as with their old $99 price (!) but with the $19.99 (source).

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Mark Bottomley
Aug 05, 2014

Thanks for the tool!

A suggestion - it appears that the scene images are some fixed size and resolution. Would it be possible to to define a regular camera picture FOV or modifier such that it could be uploaded and used to determine the ideal security camera FOV to define and document FOVs for installations? The application is taking a regular camera or cell phone and hold it where the security camera will be installed and use that image as a basis for selecting the final FOV.

Just a thought :)

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John Honovich
Aug 05, 2014
IPVM

Mark, yes, we are already working on a user image upload feature that can be used as a scene. It should be ready by the end of this month (August).

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kenneth macphee
Aug 05, 2014

This is not useful to me unless I can use the customers scene.

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Mike Reding
Aug 05, 2014

Kenneth Macphee, seriously? Then I just wouldn't use it if I were you.

Amazing!

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Meghan Uhl
Aug 06, 2014

Are you kidding? And what tool are you using now that IS useful? I haven't seen anything like this one out there yet.

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John Honovich
Aug 06, 2014
IPVM

Kenneth, Meghan,

Thanks for the feedback. We are definitely going to do uploading of one's own scenes / images so everyone will be happy!

This has been part of our plan from even before launch and its a top 3 priority. Expect it before the summer is over.

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Undisclosed Manufacturer #5
Aug 05, 2014

How did you deteremine the angle of view for each mm setting? I have not seen an accurate lens calculator to determine horizontal fov in quite some time that was not made specifically by the camera manufacturer. For instance, you state that with a 1/2.7" imager, a 2.8mm lens should give you a 93 degree angle of view. But Axis for example uses a 1/2.7" imager in the M3005-V with a 2.8mm lens and they state you will get 118 degree angle of view. This is just one example, but many other cameras and manufacturers have varying horizontal angles of view listed that are different from typical lens calculator figures.

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John Honovich
Aug 05, 2014
IPVM

Undisclosed E, very good point about FoV calculation. There does not seem to be any universal formula that covers all manufacturer implementations. I believe some manufacturers do not use the full sensor area, others may have slightly different sensor dimensions, etc.

What are we going to do to solve this is to add a camera selection field. It will display a list of camera models, allowing the user to select the camera they are interested in. For example, if one selects the M3005, we will look up in our database the specific AoV specified by Axis and then display that. The added benefit of this is that you can see immediately what each camera can cover based on their AoV and resolution limitations.

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Undisclosed #6
Aug 05, 2014

I have justed spent 10 minutes with this but it looks like an OUTSTANDING tool. I understand it is offered free at this point. Are you planning to keep it available as a free tool? If so, as a web-based tool, will you allow it to be linked on a member's website (of course, fully credited to IPVM)?

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John Honovich
Aug 05, 2014
IPVM

The plan is for the core tool (what you see right now) to remain free and for premium, member only features to be added to it. For example, upcoming PRO member features will include:

  • Uploading one's own scenes
  • Selecting specific camera models
  • Saving results

It is a web-based tool and we are considering letting others embed it but we have not decided on that yet.

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georges maroun
Aug 05, 2014
IPVMU Certified

great tools, are you going to lunch one with the metric as unit system?

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John Honovich
Aug 05, 2014
IPVM

We are adding a metric toggle shortly [UPDATE: it's now live]. Please no one ask this again. We get this is a priority from the previous 5 comments and have moved this up to the top of queue :)

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Manfred Fichtl
Aug 05, 2014

great stuff, how about doing it in metrics

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Undisclosed Manufacturer #7
Aug 05, 2014

That's what, 5 or 6 people already who asked and got a response about metric? Can we implement a European filter on discussions?

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Ed Vergara
Aug 05, 2014

Pretty nice, John. Good work.

Suggestion ... provide the ability to use our own image file.

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Vance Kozik
Aug 05, 2014

Very nice tool and clean implementation. Maybe I'm missing something, but shouldn't "Horizontal FOV" be labeled "Width of Object" or "Width of Scene" and shouldn't "Angle of View" be labeled "Horizontal FOV"?

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Vance Kozik
Aug 05, 2014

One other minor note. There are plenty of 5MP cameras with 2560 x 1920 resolution, but I don't recall seeing any cameras with 2560 x 2048 resolution, as listed in the Camera Resolution dropdown.

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John Honovich
Aug 05, 2014
IPVM

Vance, I checked 5 manufacturer's 5MP offerings and 4 of them were 2592 x 1944. So we will change it to that, though it will not make a big difference.

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Chad Haas
Aug 05, 2014

That looks great! Good work IPVM team! I look forward to the various improvements/changes others have already asked about.

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Undisclosed Manufacturer #1
Aug 05, 2014
Undisclosed H, Are you also the "Chicago Transit Authority" guys?
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Carl Lindgren
Aug 05, 2014

John,

Many thanks for adding the "Lens Selector" function. That is exactly what I was looking for.

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John Honovich
Aug 05, 2014
IPVM

"The Lindgren Lens Selector" as we call it internally...

Glad you like it!

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Carl Lindgren
Aug 05, 2014

LOL. At my age, fame and infamy are both appealing...

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Sergio Coimbra
Aug 05, 2014

Excelent tool. Is there any possibility to make a possibility to use it in meters as well ?

It will help a lot .

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John Honovich
Aug 05, 2014
IPVM

Sergio,

Are you pulling my leg, my man? :)

As we have answered 5 times above, yes, we are adding metric as an option. It's literally being worked right now and it should be live tomorrow.

Thanks for your interest!

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Rukmini Wilson
Aug 05, 2014

Give these guys an inch and they'll take a meter!

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Luis Carmona
Aug 05, 2014
Geutebruck USA • IPVMU Certified

Metre, Rukmini.

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Eric Quinn
Aug 05, 2014
IPVMU Certified

Welcome to 'Merica, where we don't use meters but we insist on spelling the word wrong anyway.

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Brian Rhodes
Aug 05, 2014
IPVMU Certified

That was so bad, but it was hilarious.

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Larry Vinson
Aug 05, 2014
IPVMU Certified

This IPVM Camera Calculator is cool and anig help, but I do not understand something. I thought that if everything else on the calculator remained constant (same Distance to Object, Focal Length, Horizontal FOV, Resolution, etc...) and all I changed was the sensor size, say going from a 1/2.7" sensor to a smaller 1/4" sensor, then I would have thought that the smaller 1/4" sensor would have resulted in a lower PPF, but I am seeing just the opposite occur, the smaller sensor is showing a higher PPF (again keeping all the other variables in the calculator constant). Can someone explain this to me, or is this an error?

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John Honovich
Aug 05, 2014
IPVM

Hi Larry,

Good question! This is an indirect effect.

The smaller the sensor, the narrower the AoV /HFoV. Alternatively put, the bigger the sensor, the wider the AoV / HFoV. That's the direct relationship.

If you have a narrower HFoV, everything else equal, the PPF will be greater at the same distance from the camera.

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Larry Vinson
Aug 06, 2014
IPVMU Certified

Thanks to all for explaining the "unexpected" (at least to me) change in PPF. I had not noticed that the H-FOV had narrowed as well with a smaller sensor. The higher PPF makes sense now.

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Brandon Smith
Aug 05, 2014

Great Tool!

1) Would be awesome if we could upload an actual picture and use the picture for selection.

2) Is there any way to make the tool full screen?

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John Honovich
Aug 05, 2014
IPVM

Brandon,

1) Yes, we are working on uploading actual pictures for use as a scene. It's a top 3 priority (right below the metric feature :)

2) Full screen is a very good idea. We had not considered this, but we will now.

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Mike Reding
Aug 05, 2014

I beleive this will be the best comment in this string.........

Read the comments before you comment!

rant concluded.

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Rukmini Wilson
Aug 05, 2014

Can someone explain this to me, or is this an error?

Right off the bat it seems weird but it makes sense when you consider what's happening (and not happening)

The sensor size is getting smaller but the resolution is staying the same, that means higher pixel density on the sensor. Also, since you have not changed the optics, the image circle (the scene like you would see thru a telescope) projected onto the sensor is exactly the same size as before but now since the pixel density has increased there are more pixels that correspond to the scene.

But you don't get something for nothng; you will notice the FOV also shrinks, because the smaller sensor is not picking up as much of the image circle as it was before. This was touched on here.

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Sergey Bystrov
Aug 05, 2014
NetworkOptix

Cool!!!
Next step is to support meters ...

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Steven Wirz
Aug 06, 2014

Hi John,

I do agree, great tool, best I've seen yet. I did not notice if I can save and/or print the results. Just use a "screen shot"?

Thanks

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John Honovich
Aug 06, 2014
IPVM

Steven, we are going to add in save functionality. Expect that in the next month. We are also considering a print functionality that "pretty prints" it with all the specs laid out.

For now, a screen shot would work. That's what I am doing for now :)

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Ben Molloy
Aug 06, 2014
IPVMU Certified

Some of us still use CIF. Would be great to add this in to the mix.

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John Honovich
Aug 08, 2014
IPVM

Hi Ben,

Regarding the request to include CIF resolution as well as others request for higher resolutions, our plan is to create 2 groups in the dropdown - up top will be the "Most Commonly Used Resolutions" - things like 720p, 1080p, 3MP, etc. and underneath it will be "Other Resolutions" which will include CIF, SVGA, 4MP, 14MP, etc.

This way we can add in less common ones but still make it easier to find the ones most people use most of the time.

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Ian McCorkindale
Aug 06, 2014

Dear John,

Will this be available as an iOS app? Take our photo and use the program.....?

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John Honovich
Aug 06, 2014
IPVM

Ian,

We are actively working on uploading one's own photo as a scene. However, uploading from a phone may not be very useful as iPhone HFoVs are only ~54°, which is fairly telephoto for most surveillance cameras. I suspect the best overall experience will be using a wide angle camera and then pan / tilt / zoom in on that image in our tool.

We do not have a timetable for an iOS app. The focus right now is a web client.

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Luis Carmona
Aug 06, 2014
Geutebruck USA • IPVMU Certified

Correct me if I'm wrong, but when uploading your own photo, would that not invalidate the PPF estimate? Not saying it still wouldn't be useful for estimating angles and such, but when you designed the calculator based on the example scenes, you knew what pixel settings those pictures were taken at and the amount of pixels used so you could adjust the calculater's formulas, right?

If someone uploaded their own picture, I would think they would have to be able to input what megapixel value the picture is and what horizontal and vertical angle the lens was if they wanted something close to a PPF estimate.

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John Honovich
Aug 06, 2014
IPVM

To get PPF estimates, regardless of what picture you upload, you have to input the resolution of the camera and the HFoV width that you desire. Whether it's a 1MP or 10MP camera, you can have 100ppf. The issue is always how far away from the camera and at what FoV width. As such, that is why one enters them.

As for the PPF estimate images, they are valid estimates, so long as you correctly input your projected resolution and HFoV, regardless of the picture / scene one uploads.

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Luis Carmona
Aug 06, 2014
Geutebruck USA • IPVMU Certified

Thanks, that's what I thought.

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Undisclosed Manufacturer #9
Aug 07, 2014

This tool is great, thanks! One minor suggestion: for low HFoV values (below 10), showing at least 1 decimal place could be very useful. I know this scenario is not too common, but at short distances (specially in metric mode) the HFoV can get very low, so the difference between i.e. 3 and 3.5 meters matters. I can set distances with decimal places, but the same for the calculated value of HFoV would be very useful...

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John Honovich
Aug 07, 2014
IPVM

Undisclosed I, now you know the value of using feet! ;)

We'll add 1 decimal place support for both distance to object and horizontal FoV.

Thanks for the feedback.

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John Honovich
Aug 07, 2014
IPVM

Metric support is now live. You can toggle between feet and metres anytime now - dropdown on the top right hand side of the calculator.

We'll also be adding 2 minor enhancements to it later this week:

  • Adjust the scale of the graph to max out at 30 meter to be similar to the imperial one where we go to 100 feet
  • Add a cookie that remembers if you select meters and keeps that set when you return to the calculator.

Also, notice that the calculator is now listed in the main navigation up top on every page for easier access.

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Jesse Guenter
Aug 07, 2014

An option to export a sample to give to customers as an example image would be great! I think it can help make the customers expectations more realistic... when they want to go with cheaper/lower res cameras, showing the difference in PPF can be a great tool!

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Meghan Uhl
Aug 07, 2014

Another value to the export would be to have a permanent record of the installed scene, approved by customer on sign off. This can help as documentation should customer insist 2 wks later that they thought the camera would give them a different view resulting in them wanting a free service call & sometimes substantial work i.e. relocating camera 10ft etc. For the integrator, having the signed off sample could diffuse any disagreement with customer re: paying for the relocation.

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John Honovich
Aug 07, 2014
IPVM

Jesse, Meghan,

Good feedback. Smart logic.

I agree that exporting will be valuable.

What format do you want an export in? A downloadable image? A downloadable PDF? Does it come with some commentary or notes or title, like "MegaCorp's Building 12 Front Door Camera."

Once we implement the save features, we can easily do printing, exporting, etc. I am just trying to understand what you are looking for specifically.

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Meghan Uhl
Aug 08, 2014

I typically use my cell phone for pictures on a site walk and those are in .jpg. It would be great if we can add a title/text as you mentioned. It doesn't have to be a whole lot as I normally attach these with a more detailed proposal document and just reference them. A date/time field would be good too for use as a site walk sign off record. Thanks John.

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Jesse Guenter
Aug 08, 2014

Any format works really... just something I can put into an email or document to clearly show the customer the difference in quality they should expect. I am just thinking of certain instances when the customer may need to value engineer, most of the time when I show them rough examples of the image difference they will go back and fight for money in the budget to ensure good quality.

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Ajigunwa Adefunmi
Aug 07, 2014
IPVMU Certified

awesome tool! Great work developing it and making it available!!

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Ed Thompson
Aug 07, 2014

It seems if you set the sensor size and focal length which should fix the viewing angle regardless of resolution, changing the resolution setting is showing different viewing angles which would be confusing to users of this calculator. When changing the resolution the image shoulld become more or less clear while the viewing angle should remain the same for this comparison.

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John Honovich
Aug 07, 2014
IPVM

"When changing the resolution the image should become more or less clear while the viewing angle should remain the same for this comparison."

Yes, I agree. And that's what happens. Video:

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Jack Sink
Aug 07, 2014
IPVMU Certified

John & Team, this is a tremendous tool and represents what sets your work apart from all others. A paid app would not only bring tremendous flexibility for site surveys but frankly, paying $10, $20 or far more for an app this valuable wouldn't cause an eye blink. Outstanding product, the industry is in your debt!

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John Honovich
Aug 08, 2014
IPVM

Update: We now remember user preference for metric vs imperial, via cookie. Specifically, if you switch to metric and return on the same PC, it will keep it set to metric.

Also, we had a good idea from Ben Molloy to display the distances for key points on the scenes (for example the far corner on the intersection is 80' away). We are going to implement that and are looking to enhance that with something even more sophisticated / powerful (but I'll keep that a suprise for now :).

Finally, our plan is to release the much desired feature to upload one's own images / scenes end of next wek.

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John Honovich
Aug 10, 2014
IPVM

Two new enhancements to the calculator:

  • By request, we now support one decimal place precision (e.g., 1.4 meters), something that's especially useful with the use of meters, as they are longer than feet.
  • The graph now adjusts to 30.5 meters max displayed distance, maintaining the same scale as feet / imperial.

With those changes plus Friday's cookie to remember metric preference, I think we are all set on metric usage.

Now we are working on uploading own's own images and saving calculations (which will enable exporting, packaging them into projects, etc.).

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Rukmini Wilson
Aug 10, 2014

The Metric option is not just useful for the rest of the world; it can also be handy for us Imperialists.  Obsessing over the view-a-face at 3000M problem, it was convenient to be able to enter the distance to target in meters and the switch back to imperial to get PPF. Nice!

p.s. As for the 3000M problem itself, even though the focal length has been limited to a modest 500mm, it is interesting to note that you can still get a decent face shot 3000M away just by choosing your other parameters wisely:

Now I just need to run out and get one of those 12MP cams with 1/4" sensors and half a meter of glass... :)

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Christopher Cincochan
Aug 11, 2014

Amazing calculator!

May I know where in calculator can I input mounting height variable.

Thanks.

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John Honovich
Aug 11, 2014
IPVM

Christopher,

The calculator does not include mounting height. However, we are considering it for a future enhancement and it has been requested by others.

In terms of priority, it would be later as we already have a number of immediate upgrade features in queue (e.g., adding one's own scenes, saving calculations, selecting specific camera models).

I presume the main thing that people want is to understand the impact / limitation of downtilt, e.g., if the camera is angled 30° down, how much does that obscure individuals / restrict the FoV.

If anyone has anything else to add on mounting angle / camera tilt, please add.

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Luis Carmona
Aug 11, 2014
Geutebruck USA • IPVMU Certified

I think mounting height would be a pretty good thing to have, along with an estimated area in front of the camera that would be the "blind spot". Some people forget to take that into account.

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Rukmini Wilson
Aug 11, 2014

What do you mean by "blind spot"? Do you mean the region so close to the camera lens that it will be out-of-focus?

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Ethan Ace
Aug 11, 2014

The blind spot is the area between the camera and the point where the bottom of the FOV hits the ground. It's not always an issue, as people's faces, for example, aren't at ground level, they're 5-6' above, on average. But in some cameras, tilting it up will leave you with area below the camera you can't see. Especially when using longer focal lengths.

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Rukmini Wilson
Aug 11, 2014

So it's mainly a psychological effect where people mistakenly feel that the camera 'sees' everything from the ground up from the point of the camera on forward?

Though the blind spot(s) are actually not anywhere inside of the VFOV, but run alongside of it (which is dependent on VAOV and the tilt angle?), is that right?

And are there similar blind spots just outside the HFOV, 'created' there is a wall on the left (or right)?

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Luis Carmona
Aug 11, 2014
Geutebruck USA • IPVMU Certified

The area immediately underneath and in front of the camera that it doesn't see, depending on the tilt angle. That's where mount height and tilt angle would come into play.

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John Paterson
Aug 11, 2014

Great tool will be using it often to improve our viewing scenes and camera placements. Will be watching out for improvements.

Idea: Downloadable version with a scene capture button (instead of uploading a image) to use with a computer and then adjusting the camera features to suit?.

All good things take time, and what you have done so far is great keep up the good work. Thanks Heaps.

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John Honovich
Aug 11, 2014
IPVM

John P, by downloadable version, do you mean a thick client? Like a Windows app? We don't plan to do that as it will take a lot of work and I am not sure how much more use it will get beyond the web version.

What do you mean by scene capture button instead of uploading an image?

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Meghan Uhl
Aug 27, 2014

Maybe I'm watching too much CSI but...how cool would it be to snap a shot with your iPhone, Droid or tablet & have an IPVM app that would grab that shot & you could apply the calculator to it on the spot. Adjustments can be made right then with client so the final proposal will be exactly what they wanted at the site survey! But no pressure John & Team - it's already pretty awesome :)

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John Honovich
Aug 27, 2014
IPVM

Meghan,

We need to have a mobile app first ;)

However, that is in the plans for year end. Once we do that we can add a feature to take / use an image from the phone.

The only limitation will be that phones HFoV are typically in the ~55° range, which is narrower than what is most commonly used in surveillance cameras.

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Meghan Uhl
Aug 27, 2014

Hmmmm... I think there's enough "genius" at IPVM to figure out a way around that problem :) Is there a mathmatical equation that can be applied to make it fit other HFoV's. I'm thinking like the architectural drawings scale i.e. 1" = 8ft etc.

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Rukmini Wilson
Aug 12, 2014

Minor technical precision bug in calculator. I think that there is a tiny rounding error, maybe in the AOV or an intermediate value, that manifests like so:

Starting with the calculator's default values,

2mm FL and 1920 pixel width = 8ppf

Then triple the focal length while reducing the horizontal pixels to one-third

6mm FL and 640 pixel width = 9ppf

IMHO, these should be equal, or am I missing something?

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Matt Perez
Aug 13, 2014
IPVMU Certified

The IPVM calc would be a great mobile app!

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Robert Gonzales
Aug 14, 2014
IPVMU Certified

This tool is really cool and awsome. I found it very easy to use and quite streight forward. I whish I would have had such a sweet tool for use in designing locations and recommending the camera type to make the most on our investment.

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Brandon De Libro
Aug 19, 2014

John,

Do we have the rights to frame set this into our corporate website for client self help?

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John Honovich
Aug 19, 2014
IPVM

Brandon,

No, not at this time. We are considering allowing others to embed the calculator in their sites.

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John Honovich
Aug 20, 2014
IPVM

A number of improvements have been added:

  • There's a new parking lot scene that is just better, deeper, more lanes / cars.
  • The scenes are now higher resolution so when you zoom in the image quality is sharper / cleaner.
  • You can now upload your own image. We are doing some optimizations tomorrow but it fundamentally works and its an option on the right hand side of the scene selector. Try it out. Let us know.
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Jim Elder
Aug 22, 2014
IPVMU Certified

Love this tool. Just tried to upload my own image and all I get is a black screen inthe viewing window. I have three images in the calculator and same results. Did i miss a step?

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John Honovich
Aug 22, 2014
IPVM

Jim,

You entered "1" in the HFoV / AoV input so it set the image to 1° which is extremely tiny.

This is the way a user tells our system what the size / scale of the image is.

See here:

I've cleared the 3 images you loaded previously.

Please re-try to upload and input the correct AoV/HFoV. It will work.

Btw, we are changing the AoV/HFoV control to a slider over the weekend.

John

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Jim Elder
Aug 22, 2014
IPVMU Certified

I use the ISVG Design tool and when i import an image such as a site plan or floor plan, they ask to input a known dimension between two points. Once entered, they spit back a scale and everything done from that point on is to that scale. When i import my own image to the IPVM calcuator,will there be some kind of scale factor involved?

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John Honovich
Aug 27, 2014
IPVM

License Plate / Vehicle Entrance scene added.

This was our top requested scene. Here's what it looks like:

Just pick 'Vehicle Entrance' from the bottom of the 'General Scenes' list.

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Larry Vinson
Aug 27, 2014
IPVMU Certified

This may sound like a dumb question, but does anyone know the easiest way to determine what the horizontal angle of view is when a photo is taken with a handheld digital camera? I know it depends on the lens, zoom, etc... Is there any way to determine it after the fact? I have some photos that would be great to use for this tool, but I don't know what the angle of view was when the photo was taken.

Also does anyone know of a good free exif reader program?

Thanks,

Larry

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Rukmini Wilson
Aug 27, 2014

Do you know the exact camera model? (For the sensor size...)

Do you know the distance to a center subject and its corresponding width?

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Larry Vinson
Aug 27, 2014
IPVMU Certified

I can get the camera model (Fujifilm Finepix S4200 -14 MegaPixels Wide 24mm)to find out it's sensor size (1/2.3 - inch CCD), but would not know the distance to the center of the subject or the scene width. If I knew that I could do some simple geometry or trigonometry to get the angle.

Larry

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John Honovich
Aug 27, 2014
IPVM

Larry, the camera calculator will tell you the AoV, given the known lens length and sensor size.

With 24mm and 1/2.3" sensor, AoV is ~15°. That's quite telephoto. You can certainly upload that, you'll just be constrained to zooming / tilting / panning within that 15 degrees.

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Larry Vinson
Aug 27, 2014
IPVMU Certified

The focal length on the camera ranges from f=4.3mm - 103.2mm. The 24X would be at the max zoomed in which as you say is a narrow field of view ~15° but I am not doing images like that.

Thanks.

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John Honovich
Aug 27, 2014
IPVM

Larry, I was answering based on your earlier input of 24mm (above).

If the focal length, for example, is at its widest (4.3mm), the AoV is ~74°

You can calculate this inside the top pane of the calculator.

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Rukmini Wilson
Aug 27, 2014

Agreed. I was answering assuming you did not know the actual focal length (zoom) used. Without knowing focal length OR distance/widths yields multiple answers.

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Undisclosed Integrator #10
Sep 15, 2014

This is a GREAT tool, thank you.

However, I have a question.

I am looking at an Axis spec sheet for the M3005-V camera. It states 1/2.7" imager, 2.8 mm lens and 118 degree FOV.

When I enter the same in the calculator, it states those imager and lens selections should provide a 93 degree FOV.

Can you please explain the apparent discrepancy?

Thank you.

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John Honovich
Sep 15, 2014
IPVM

J, good eye.

There are a number of lenses, typically short ones, where the 'theoretical' calculations are not in line with the actual manufacturer specs.

Sometimes it is because of how the lens is designed, others is because how much of the sensor is being used.

The solution we have is to add actual camera models to the Calculator. This way, if you know you are using the M3005, you can select that and the calculator will know its specified AoV and then lock that in. It's actually being released next week!

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Larry Vinson
Aug 27, 2014
IPVMU Certified

Thanks for the clarification on angle of view. It helps.

Larry

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Rukmini Wilson
Aug 28, 2014

I may be reading this wrong, but what does the 4000 horizontal pixel part indicate? Isn't it more like 5000? I think the recommendation is sound though.

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Brandon Frazier
Aug 28, 2014
IPVMU Certified

I noticed it craps out around 70' I think, it stays at 3840 for the next 10' and then stays at 4000 pixels forever. 1000' distance gives 4000 pixels but 27 cameras at 2 MP.

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John Honovich
Aug 29, 2014
IPVM

The issue with the 'what camera resolution do I need?' is fixed. We correct the wrong variable being displayed in that response string.

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Rukmini Wilson
Aug 29, 2014

Nice fix.

Related: The ancillary mode calculators are Imperialistic only.

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Amos Wipf
Sep 25, 2014

Shouldn't the B's on some of these new Axis models be V's?

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Mark Jones
Oct 02, 2014

I would have to concur. Very sweet John.

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Undisclosed Integrator #11
Nov 25, 2014

in the lobby I chose a camera with 1.3 MP resolution to have a satisfying PPF of 45.7; the lens is wide angle (3.4 mm) to have a wide angle of view (70 degree); the distance to object (lobby doors) is 20 ft to have a suitable width of scene (28 ft) and a suitable PPF.