Hello all,
We are looking to install an IP camera without an NVR, The end user would like to monitor a door Live but doesn't want to pay the additional cost of recording.
The concept would be to have the camera somehow go directly to a TV/Monitor's input.
Does anyone have an idea on how to accomplish this?
Thank you in advance,
Either HDMI or analog out from the camera or add a decoder.
HDMI out is probably the best / simplest way but there are not a lot of cameras that support HDMI out. Someone help me out with recommendations here.
Thanks John,
I'm trying to get the HD image, which is why I was thinking IP. A decoder will force the image back down to SD.
I don't think that the HDMI out will be an option in this scenario based on the wire length.
...there are not a lot of cameras that support HDMI out.
FWIW, I think there is really only one left, the Axis M1025, ever since Rance's handlers shut down the under-appreciated Sanyo Security line a few years ago.
Have you seen Viewz PVM lines before? Their iPM monitor series supports up to 1080p, and I believe they are ONVIF S compatible. I'll confirm this.
Brian,
Thanks for the idea. ViewZ's products are not in the customers budget.
$70-100 small form factor NVR without a HDD strapped to the back of the monitor.
Tony can you update our experience with this NVR? It seems like we hit a wall on it if I recall.
I had to use a special RTSP URL that Ethan provided. Not sure why the conventional URL's didn't work.....might have been our network. Also, not all the channels were able to stream video. Of the 8, I think only 2 actually worked to stream live video. Firmware provided by another IPVMer didn't help with any functionality. As a cheap single spot monitor it would work, but asking any more of it would be asking for trouble in my opinion.
Thanks!
I ordered one on amazon for $38. It should be arriving tomorrow. I can't go wrong checking it out for that price.
I'll keep you posted :)
Thanks to John for posting. I was off on my pricing. I can get OEM Hikvision recorders for about ~$130. My head was thinking TVI pricing. IMHO for what you are asking a TVI cam and TVI SFF recorder without HDD would be the most cost effective and offer a better view with less latency. I can get OEM Hik TVI recorder for ~$70. You would probably save on the camera too and since you are doing this to be cost effective your monitor isnt likely to have a resolution above 1080p. Just my thoughts. Lots of good suggestions here, I was suprised by all the activity.
See our HD Decoder / Thin Clients post for a review of options including Next Level, ACTi and Aimetis.
+1 for the Aimetis Decorder box. I have tested decoders from Hikvision, ACTI, Aimetis and Ionodes. Aimetis is relible and easy to setup.
Does anyone know if a smart TV will work for me in this instance?
How reliable does this need to be? The smart TV might work but the app could crash 1 once a day requring service. IMO the decoder box is going to be a more relible solution.
Axis offers this for their camera's.
Not sure if it supports any other manufacturers.
Unfortunately, the P7701 is limited to D1 resolution decoding. It will upscale to 720p FWIW.
It will upscale to 720p FWIW
Actually, it doesn't upscale MJPEG:
AXIS P7701 can decode full frame rate video streams in H.264 and MPEG-4 in all resolutions up to D1 (720x480 pixels in NTSC, 720x576 in PAL). Motion JPEG can be decoded in all resolutions up to 720p (1280x720).
A small form-factor cheap NVR like this - http://www.dahuasecurity.com/products/nvr104108-713.html - will do the job for you nicely.
ViewZ best way to go, first it is designed to be a public view monitor so 24hr runtime. It will display the 2MP camera all the time and if you ever wanted to record it, it is ONVIF profile S. Coming from a VMS manufacturer and having tested for over a year it is a Phonominal product. I'd added via ONVIF and include IO capabilities and multiple streams. It is always my recommendation to people looking for that solution. Video quality is excellent and WDR as well for taking care of those contrast issues in entry circumstances. Support was great as well. Just my two cents confirming what Brian said.
A PVM won't be beneficial for this application because I will be needing the camera and the monitor in two separate locations.
Any smart TV with a browser should worked
Another option is to go with an HD-CVI camera with HD-CVI to HDMI converter and simply plug direct into monitor. The box is tiny and every HD-CVI/HD-TVI/HDSDI manufacturer I have seen sales this cover yet box separately. This would be the next best solution if recording is not needed to the ViewZ solution in my opinion.
http://www.norbain.com/vista-releases-industry-first-ip-monitor/
Enclosed is info from Norbain in UK, this IP CCTV monitor unit has built in IP decoder, full HD images, full screen or quad displays, ONVIF all in one unit
Hopefully do the job
I guess there are only 2 ways to achive this
1. Take a camera with BNC/Analog out and hook that one to TV
2. Take a decoder, connect IP camera to decoder and decoder inturn to TV
3. You may consider buying a low cost DVR/NVR and connect IP camera to it and then connect DVR/NVR to TV, may be something like this
http://www.dahuasecurity.com/products/nvr104108-713.html
Totevision makes two types and they are not on their website. The model number is LED1213IP for a 12 inch LED monitor for around 750.00, which can do up to 4 IP cameras. The other is a LED2154HD-IP which can handle up to 16 IP cameras and is a 21 inch LED monitor.
HI, maybe I am missing something but why not simply have your customer use their PC to web browse to the camera and receive the image this way?
Richard
The application calls for a camera to live monitor a simple entryway. A computer isn't practical, but thank you.
Have you considered using an HD TVI camera and small recorder. You can get both for under $200.
I just picked up 2 of these for a PVM's Here.I will be using 2 256 cards to record and running the BNC to the PVM. VMS software is on the camera. Will let you know how it worked out after it's installed.
http://www.dveo.com/pdf/Sparky-E-Datasheet.pdf
? Supports both HD and SD H.264/ MPEG-4 AVC encoding up to 1080p
? Low latency – one half second ? Inputs: HDMI or CVBS (one input channel at a time)
? HDMI input supports HDCP
? Outputs: Multiple simultaneous IP streams through GigE port (RJ45)
? IP output protocols: UDP, RTP, HTTP, RTMP, or RTSP
How relible is the Android stick for you? We tested this setup and I couldn't get it to run for more then 12 hours without crashing and having to be restarted.
I tryed this in the past and didn't have good results. The image was fine but I found that I wan't able to get video to stream without extreme lag.
We've had good luck with using an Android TV (Nexus Player) and the IP Cam Viewer Pro app. Never had a problem with crashing or delayed video.
Good catch!
I think a far more cost-effective option would be a cheap, basic handy-cam (since almost all of them have HDMI out) connected to a basic computer monitor. Probably put the entire thing together for under $200.
We have this little unit at home, does 720p, has HDMI out, for all of $60: http://www.bestbuy.ca/en-ca/product/vivitar-vivitar-dvr-783hd-pro-0-032gb-hd-flash-memory-camcorder-black-dvr783hd-blk/10302240.aspx?path=16148f4be71e7007ab5743c046a95290en02 (disclaimer: I don't know if will output live video through HDMI as I've never tried it, but I can give it a go when I get home).
If you're not recording or streaming or anything, there's no reason to add the extra expense of an IP camera to the mix.
I don't think that the HDMI out will be an option in this scenario based on the wire length. -OP
I don't think that the HDMI out will be an option in this scenario based on the wire length. -OP
How far does it have to go? I've used these exact models successfully on a number of sites: http://www.a-power.com/product-19870 (I've also found them at half the price from time to time).
Two UTP cables, of course. There are other single-wire models but they tend to be a lot more expensive.
BTW, I know these will work with a handycam because the first time I picked up a set to deploy on a site, I tested them at home with a handycam and my TV :)
AX-TV from visual tools? LINK supports ONVIF as well, HDMI output, WIFI also possible. UP to 16 cameras decoding.
Interesting. Wireless ONVIF Decoder with IR remote control. That may be a first.
The resolution (1280x720), and the frame rate (15), could use some improvement, up to 1080p/30 would be cool...
Wow! Now that is cool! 360 dewarping too, I am totally geeking out on that suker! DCZ keyboard support from VT I am gonna bookmark that suker. Best idea ever thanks for sharing!
Downside is that password protection is not available so anyone who connects to the unit over the network can cofigure this unit :(
unit runs on Linux so maybe you can tweak some settings that are not visible in the GUI...
We have used the Gigabyte Brix ultra compact PC Kit Model GB-Xi3-4010 - perfect with or without SSD
IP Vista from EOS in Australia onvif profile S decoder to HDMI
Camera needs to be accessible from wireless LAN
Warning: I work for the manufacturing company.
What about GeoVision's IP Decoder Box or GV-Pad
I think this should fits most of the requirements without the cost of a PC for this case.
Smart TV that has an ethernet socket (such as a samsung) and web straight into the cameras HTML viewing page
Works a treat the few times i've tried it with a few brands of cameras
Wouldn't it be easier to just get a monitor? Seems so troublesome just to have a smart TV as the monitor.
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